Good knowledge but no surprise. I have tried to demonstrate this through my experience but it all gets tossed into the pile of anecdotes and perceived biases. Soemhow the prevailing cultural view and anecdotal info from film folk holds sway. Hence; data.Film course are electives for a photography degree at our local community college. Those that do elect to take B&W 101 rarely go on to take any of the other film based courses.
What absolutely everybody fails to appreciate when ever we have this discussion about vocational direction is that we all started in film. We learned to love and master it. It is not as if we want to kill the presence of Philip in a school but we have to be realistic when we are facing budgetary limits and have a specific vocational purpose. At my school I have instigated a darkroom certificate of proficiency. It contains introduction to the darkroom, intermediate darkroom, and alternative processes. But they are elective, not essential for a full-fledged degree in photography.We are about to introduce 5 day internships at my facility in Gum over Palladium for any student at any of the 6-10 photo schools in our area. They will be working on my personal work from beginning to end with supervision at critical stages each day. This has been brought about by the fact that the schools have all but abandoned wet rooms, and since my facility is complete wet facility we are putting the students to work so to speak, This is being rolled out this fall and
over time will see how it works with each educational institution.
I am really interested in how the dynamics of this will work, I have always been open to bringing students in on tours and two hour demos, but this decision was sparked by a student coming in for 4 days when I had the appropriate work here and it was an excellent experience for myself and the student.
Why would one do that? Film was the only game in town but now, learning SS, f, ISO is much easier than film. Can I learn how to drive on a 6-speed automatic or do I need to use a 3-speed stick? Now, if I wanted to race it would be something different but that is an advanced form of driving. I propose that once on learns to use the camera and its consequences, learning film makes more sense. It still is not vocational to any statistically significant degree.If you can imagine "photography" without digital tools, by all means teach them only about film.
Film photography probably needs to be moved to the fine arts curriculum where questions of vocation are not primary.Why would one do that? Film was the only game in town but now, learning SS, f, ISO is much easier than film. Can I learn how to drive on a 6-speed automatic or do I need to use a 3-speed stick? Now, if I wanted to race it would be something different but that is an advanced form of driving. I propose that once on learns to use the camera and its consequences, learning film makes more sense. It still is not vocational to any statistically significant degree.
Good point Frank.. the pressures of students getting real jobs is mind boggling these days.Film photography probably needs to be moved to the fine arts curriculum where questions of vocation are not primary.
Why would one do that? Film was the only game in town but now, learning SS, f, ISO is much easier than film. Can I learn how to drive on a 6-speed automatic or do I need to use a 3-speed stick? Now, if I wanted to race it would be something different but that is an advanced form of driving. I propose that once on learns to use the camera and its consequences, learning film makes more sense. It still is not vocational to any statistically significant degree.
I agree but in our district the funding style make s the whole department either vocational or other.Film photography probably needs to be moved to the fine arts curriculum where questions of vocation are not primary.
I see. Very cool. Sounds like a great program. with a real sense of craft. Whether it is applicable to the real world is less important than whether you can keep your numbers up to keep the administration happy. If they sign-up to do more work, that is gravy.I feel kind of guilty that the students would be working on my personal work for these internship, PS Digital Film Stripping film together for tri colours, coating paper, exposing paper, developing paper...
I cannot let the students work on my clients work as they would rebel.
Am I being self centered by making them do this.... I am working each day and this is the only practical way I can give them my attention as well practical experience.
www.alternativephotoservices.com is my company so you can see a bit more about what I do.
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