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I say this without exaggeration: you can safely assume this is probably true for all your photographic projects. Please post often!I thought this particular project of mine was significant enough that there may be others who are interested.
Fascinating stuff, Mark.
Did you run into that classic problem of static when shooting this stock in the hand cranked Eyemo?
As you are well aware, it was a real problem for cinematographers well into the late 1910's; how did you cope with that?
This has been a improbable dream of mine for over 40 years; to make cine stock from scratch! I have an Acme 16/35 optical printer, but could never find a perforator within reach.
Anyway, please do keep us updated! I will live vicariously through your actions!
This is only blue violet sensitive as are all emulsions when first made. You can find my basic ISO 1-2 MO-1880 formula and my procedure in the new edition of the Darkroom Cookbook. After you make that (which was used in our plate and cine workshops for years) you would need an additional ripening for 30 mins at 50c and include a sulfur sensitizer (very dilute hypo) to bring the emulsion up to 12-15.@Mark Osterman thanks so much for the quick and fascinating follow-up. I'm glad to hear that while you have lost access to Eastman Kodak House's infrastructure, you've been able to retain/regain some essential equipment and moreover, that you're still very active in the field of exploring and reinventing all these beautiful photographic processes.
Thanks also for the clear answer on the anti-halation issue; it seems very effective indeed!
Do you intend to share at some point the emulsion recipe in its entirety? I imagine it's along the lines of some of the recipes already posted here on Photrio, but I'm sure many would be interested in comparing them. Personally I'd be interested to hear how in this particular emulsion the spectral sensitization is done; I imagine it's something fairly straightforward that would also be applicable for home users, right?
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I say this without exaggeration: you can safely assume this is probably true for all your photographic projects. Please post often!
Fascinating experiment and tests. Were these early films thicker than contemporary (late-20th century +) film? Have the position of the film rails changed in recent Leicas compared to the ones pre WWII?
Very very intersting project.
I have a 1930 Leica I and sometimes wonder how the original owner experienced the process of photographing with film that had very limited sensitivity to both color spectrum and light.
No light meter, probably having to source bulk film and roll their own FILCA cassettes and other inconveniences I don't even know about.
The whole idea of this camera being state-of-the-art in miniaturisation & quality 100 years ago is fun to think about.
Wonderful that they still are very useable cameras.
This is one of the coolest things I've seen in my years here.
I recently saw one of those Leitz drums in an auction and was wondering who would be crazy enough to buy it. Now I know!
Mark, do you have a blog or website following your progress on these things?
Do you mean pictures of the machines in the daylight. I see there is only so much resolution I can share on this site. It has refused some pictures I tried to post yesterday. The coating machine is unique, no manual. It was made in the Polaroid emulsion research lab for their use. Was then sold to RIT and they gave it to me when they discontinued their emulsion technology curriculum. I should add … they actually told me when they put it out on the curb on trash day and I drove over and picked it up!Hello Mark,
When you return, can you please take some clear photos of the coating machine, perforator and slitter (if there is one) and post them? Maybe with something alongside to provide scale? I suspect that the photos can provide useful information to allow duplicating the devices, or incorporating aspects of their design. If there is printed user material that went along with this equipment, do you have that as well?
Also...did you perforate the film after coating the emulsion, or before?
Thanks,
Bob M.
No, we never had a static problem. We only shot short lengths of film at 8 fps. Here is a sample of film and a student during one of our cine film workshops at Eastman Museum looking at film we coated that morning.
I'm sorry to hear that; it's indeed an issue we bump into sometimes as a result of the file size limit. Here are some hints that may help: https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/how-to-post-pictures-and-avoid-size-limit-problems.211668It has refused some pictures I tried to post yesterday.
I'd expect weather and in particular RH would have played a role, as well as materials used in the cameras. In an all-metal camera I'd expect there to be much less (no) problems with static, but as soon as there's a good content of polymers esp. in the film path, you'd see these issues pop up.I wonder if the reason we didn’t have static was that we were always shooting film we made no older than a day before shooting.
I'm sorry to hear that; it's indeed an issue we bump into sometimes as a result of the file size limit. Here are some hints that may help: https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/how-to-post-pictures-and-avoid-size-limit-problems.211668
Also feel free to drop me a private message and we can set up some way where you send (e.g. via email) any photos you'd like to post and I'll put them in. But I'll just do the same things outlined in the link above.
I'd expect weather and in particular RH would have played a role, as well as materials used in the cameras. In an all-metal camera I'd expect there to be much less (no) problems with static, but as soon as there's a good content of polymers esp. in the film path, you'd see these issues pop up.
Can videos be posted here?
That's nice; I have no Facebook and I've noticed quite a few more people here on Photrio have stayed away from it.I post everything I do on my facebook page and people should feel free to go there and do a subject search or just look around
My facebook page is the primary way we advertise our workshops so it’s a shame people on this group avoid it.
There's always a dilemma there; on the one hand we want people to feel free in speaking up, but the drawback of this is that not everything shared is on-topic, relevant or of high quality. I think by and large Photrio does fairly well compared to other online platforms, which is also evident in how many people find this place through online searches for specific information. Lots of pearls, but also lots of mud. It's difficult to get just one without the other.I tend to avoid groups like this because there are times when the responses to my posts were from people with lots of armchair reading but no actual hands on experience giving me bad advice I didn’t really seek.
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