Makers or Takers

[pentaxuser]

Of course...all pictures are such pictures and we all take them. What differs is the picture taker/maker.

Your above quote was, I take it, in reference to my question asking whether others do not take similar pictures to the one I described In that respect can you expand on what you said

What you seem to be saying is that we all take "real "pictures but what differs is the taker. This puzzles me. It you were there taking Uncle Harry's picture in Blackpool at my shoulder or just behind me then what your viewfinder shows you is essentially the same as mine shows me, isn't it ?

pentaxuser

 

[cliveh]

Where do I fit into this?
I am an arty farty type that paints with light.

You don't, buzz off.

 

[Vaughn]

Your above quote was, I take it, in reference to my question asking whether others do not take similar pictures to the one I described In that respect can you expand on what you said

What you seem to be saying is that we all take "real "pictures but what differs is the taker. This puzzles me. It you were there taking Uncle Harry's picture in Blackpool at my shoulder or just behind me then what your viewfinder shows you is essentially the same as mine shows me, isn't it ?

pentaxuser

I place importance on the fact that there are two separate images being made...perhaps your sentimental urban environmental portrait of your Uncle Harry -- and my inclusion of the porn shop sign which you had carefully excluded, then printed dark and grainy, leading the viewer to make a connection between the sign and the blurred (1/15th sec) barely reconizable figure of Uncle Harry.

 

[BrianShaw]

If you were there taking Uncle Harry's picture in Blackpool at my shoulder or just behind me then what your viewfinder shows you is essentially the same as mine shows me, isn't it ?

pentaxuser

Possibly, or possibly not. You may have taken the picture of Uncle Harry with the cigar in his mouth, looking like George Burns. I may have taken the picture of Uncle Harry when he held the cigar down, looking more like Winston. Or did I get George and Winston backwards? No matter, same Uncle Harry and same cigar, and same Blackpool; different pictures.

BTW, how is Uncle Harry. Please give him kind regards from me!

 

[Vaughn]

Where do I fit into this?
I am an arty farty type that paints with light.

Make what you can.
Take what you can get for it.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

As far as I am aware all my photos represent what was there in front of me and in the viewfinder at the moment I took them When I have finished processing the print it does seem to look the same as what was on the negative which in turn represented what I saw in the viewfinder

When I took a picture of Uncle Harry on a deckchair on the beach at Blackpool with a knotted handkerchief on his head for protection from the sun and the large tower about half the size of the Eiffel Tower in the background, the picture looked just like I remembered it a few weeks before when I took it and it still does today

Do others not take such pictures?

pentaxuser

Well, Uncle Harry is not in any of my pictures.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

The NY Times has an interest in truth-telling especially with news and documentary photos. They seem to have no problem describing it. I highlighted in red that criteria.

1. Technical Requirements (Submission Standards)​

If you are asked to submit files (e.g., after a successful pitch or for an award entry), the following technical standards typically apply:

• Format: JPEG only.
• Color Profile: RGB.
• Size: Maximum of 3600 pixels on the longest side (equivalent to 18 inches at 200 dpi).
• Metadata: Images must include complete IPTC fields, including:
  
  • Caption (detailed and accurate)
  • Byline (your name)
  • Credit (your organization or "Freelance")
• Integrity: For news photography, you must provide original, unedited camera files (RAW or un-toned JPEGs) alongside your final versions to verify that no manipulation has occurred beyond standard cropping and toning.

2. Ethical Standards (The "Golden Rules")​

The Times has a zero-tolerance policy for photo manipulation in news and documentary contexts.

• No Manipulation: You cannot add, move, or remove any element of the original image.
• No Multiple Exposures: These are generally prohibited for news and feature reporting.
• AI Usage: The use of generative AI or AI-based "editing" that alters the content of the image is strictly forbidden and can lead to a permanent ban from the publication.
• Truth in Captions: Captions must be factual, verified, and provide proper context.

 

[cliveh]

The NY Times has an interest in truth-telling especially with news and documentary photos. They seem to have no problem describing it. I highlighted in red that criteria.

1. Technical Requirements (Submission Standards)​

If you are asked to submit files (e.g., after a successful pitch or for an award entry), the following technical standards typically apply:

• Format: JPEG only.
• Color Profile: RGB.
• Size: Maximum of 3600 pixels on the longest side (equivalent to 18 inches at 200 dpi).
• Metadata: Images must include complete IPTC fields, including:
  
  • Caption (detailed and accurate)
  • Byline (your name)
  • Credit (your organization or "Freelance")
• Integrity: For news photography, you must provide original, unedited camera files (RAW or un-toned JPEGs) alongside your final versions to verify that no manipulation has occurred beyond standard cropping and toning.

2. Ethical Standards (The "Golden Rules")​

The Times has a zero-tolerance policy for photo manipulation in news and documentary contexts.

• No Manipulation: You cannot add, move, or remove any element of the original image.
• No Multiple Exposures: These are generally prohibited for news and feature reporting.
• AI Usage: The use of generative AI or AI-based "editing" that alters the content of the image is strictly forbidden and can lead to a permanent ban from the publication.
• Truth in Captions: Captions must be factual, verified, and provide proper context.

Thanks for that, as it's good to know there are publications out there who value photographic recording without manipulation.