Someone really should put together a list of native M42 cameras -- with feature details, of course. There are a TON of them.
As to M42 lenses on NON-M42 cameras? That camera list would be even longer -- even up to today's digital cameras.
There have to be several NON.M42 cameras that can be adapted -- that are compact, reliable, and cheap. With SPOT metering -- probably. I thick every Minolta, Pentax K, Nikon, Yashica, Contax (... the list goes on) ... would work.
The main problem is metering. Can be done wide-open, but better if stopped down -- which is a problem for some cameras.
If you can relieve the requirement for spot metering, there are cameras such as Ricoh Singlex TLS that meet all other requirements. Two typical issues to broach (neither difficult): deteriorated foam light seals and battery conversion. I inherited one several years ago in dredfully diry condition, mostly because of light seal foam gunk all over hte shutter. It cleaned up quite well and now is a favorite when I feel the desire to use for a "real vintage" SLR
Thanks! Singlex TLS is too heavy for my liking (I don't have one, but I think it's some 100 grams heavier than a Spotmatic). And the spot meter is the point -- I do have a few bodies with an averaging meter that I like, but for slides I'd really prefer a spot meter.
I have nothing against the Ricoh Singlex TLS, but isn't it as big and heavy as my Minolta SRT cameras?
Later on, Minolta, Pentax and others, made smaller & lighter cameras that can accept M42 lenses -- and have auto-exposure, auto-winders, etc -- and are incredible inexpensive nowadays.
Yes, I think Minolta SRT is about as heavy as Ricoh Singlex TLS / TLS401 -- or Mamiya DSX for that matter. The later plastic and electronic models can indeed be lighter and more accurate, but they tend to be overcluttered -- not that this makes them unusable (I rather like Canon T70, for what it is), I just wonder if it's possible to have everything in one place: simple, compact, reliable and cheap.
I don’t see the eminent need for spot-ish metering. It’s of pretty limited use, and is full of gotchas if you haven’t fully wrapped your head around it.
Some of the Mamiyas has it. But they are not very good cameras.
Stop-down and manual metering is kind of a requirement for M42 and a defining trait of the “system”. All the lenses and cameras are centered around those “limitations”.
If you want automation, get a Fuji, Ricoh or Chinon and their native lenses that support AE.
I’d get the most modern and well made body I can find with native M42 mount. And that is most likely a Fuji.
Adapters are always problematic in a number of ways. Flance distance is not accurate. drop-down is absent or not ergonomic. They come loose, cross threaded (because of subpar metal or lost. Etc.
Perfect M42 body nothing better than a Spotmatic F.
Ian
There are plenty of adaptable NON-M42 SLRs that are clutter free -- and have fewer features, like the Pentax K1000 & the Minolta SRT100/200. The Pentax K1000 goes for ridiculous prices, but you can find an SRT100/200 for under $20. The variants are just as reliable & sell for even less! But, yes, they are large and heavy.
http://www.subclub.org/minman/srt100.htm
I don't think the camera you desire exists.
Yes, for an 'all-around' m42, I agree that Fujicas ST may be the best candidates (with the ST605 being perhaps the most versatile, despite its limited shutter speeds), but I'm specifically looking for a camera to shoot slides with, and here I'm willing to sacrifice auto-aperture function for a spot meter. I was pleasantly surprised that I could see quite well through the Canon T70's viewfinder even with the lens stopped down to 5.6, I just want to know if there more 'classical' alternatives to it.
Five cameras come to mind and I have all of them. There are the Mamiya 1000DTL and 500DTL, the Mamiya DSX1000 and DSX500. The last one is the Mamiya Auto XTL (and later Auto X1000). The Auto XTL accepts a P adapter (Praktica/Pentax). The adapter provides stop-down metering and correct infinity focus with M42 lenses and has a switch for Averaging or Spot. There are Sears versions of some of the SX cameras but the one I just looked at does not have spot metering.
No spot metering.
Well, one more reason to be happy with the T70!The T70 screen is exceptional, only equaled/bettered by the late Minolta acute matte.
You won’t find many other cameras that match them.
That's if you prefer auto-exposure (which is definitely good for winter!). The AZ's downside for me is that it doesn't work well with standard m42 lenses: you need both to stop the lens down and depress the shutter button to take a metering (that's where the ST605 will beat it); but it could work with preset lenses I guess.The best Fujica is the AZ. Newest and most rugged. No fancy unnecessary features.
The meter is with two blue silicon cells.
Doesn’t get much better for a M42 camera.
It's of course true that thinking is more important than just metering, but it does help when you know what you are metering. At least I rather liked the experience with the T70 and the CSR, though I'm still waiting for the results.Shooting slide is not that hard or critical. In camera spot metering will never be as precise as an external spot meter, or the ultimate precision of the not spot mode in camera meter.
The T70 mode is a very pointy center weighted pattern for a reason.
Meter for the shade, the subject and the sky and get a general idea of what your priorities are in the scene.
Taking your time is much more important for good metering than a super fancy, ultra precise meter.
A proper external meter might be the way to go, but I wonder if I would bother to use it :-/Having used Spotmatics for the past 6 decades, well almost, 1966, when I shot color including slides I used an incident meter, I continued to use an incident meter with Konica T3, Nikon F and F2. The F3 metering was rather good and worked for color negative film, for slide film I continued use an incident meter. Now that I used Minolta A mount, the matrix metering is so good I no longer use a hand held meter. Reminds me to dig out my Spot, time for a trip down memory lane.
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