Lucky Films

[arigram]

Any more views on Lucky, or does someone want to raise Tibet? :rolleyes:

Can you raise Tibet any higher than that?

 

[Shangheye]

Can you raise Tibet any higher than that?

LOL!!!!.....

 

[railwayman3]

Yes, top end products that will be in land fill in 5 years, because as soon as the warranty is up, so are they, and they can't be repaired. Companies manufacture in China for one reason, and one reason only, cost. They get cheap labour and a government that doesn't care if they pollute as long as they bring in employment for the masses.

Can any product can be repaired nowdays, wherever it comes from? Although most products will last significantly longer than 5 years if reasonably looked after, and you don't fall for having to have the latest gimmicks every six months.

And if other countries products are not in the shops, one has little choice but to buy from China. Actually, thinking about it, Kodak films and tins of Alaska salmon are about the only US made items that one regularly sees in UK shops.

 

[cmo]

It often strikes me that we choose to forget our own Industrial revolutions (and sweat houses) and deny them to others, as well their fair share of CO2 emmissions.

So you say that every nation has the right to repeat the crimes of our past and scale them? Is there a nation's right to pollute the air while other nations try to decrease pollution?

In that case I understand China's main problem: similar hardware, bad software.

Wouldn't it be a much better idea to skip all meanders of human evolution and go beyond our current misery? A nation that achieves such a progress could be a model, not yet another dictatorship.

Any more views on Lucky, or does someone want to raise Tibet? :rolleyes:

No problem. If you take photos of riots in Tibet on 35mm film, you are a LUCKY man if the police does not bash you prior to imprisonment. It's called "China bashing".

If you raise the question what this has to do with photography, I can only say: my beliefs and my will to make my tiny contribution in making this world just a little better are my motivation to photograph.

 

[arigram]

So you say that every nation has the right to repeat the crimes of our past and scale them? Is there a nation's right to pollute the air while other nations try to decrease pollution?

In that case I understand China's main problem: similar hardware, bad software.

Wouldn't it be a much better idea to skip all meanders of human evolution and go beyond our current misery? A nation that achieves such a progress could be a model, not yet another dictatorship.



No problem. If you take photos of riots in Tibet on 35mm film, you are a LUCKY man if the police does not bash you prior to imprisonment. It's called "China bashing".

If you raise the question what this has to do with photography, I can only say: my beliefs and my will to make my tiny contribution in making this world just a little better are my motivation to photograph.

Pfff.
Take it to the soap box.
:rolleyes:

 

[Ektagraphic]

It would be so interesting to try their E-6 film!

 

[Prest_400]

It would be so interesting to try their E-6 film!

1970's ektachrome flavor

 

[rjr]

Hmmm. Back when I used to shoot J&C 100 in my 8x10 the red paper bag inside the envelope was sealed with a sticker. The sticker had writing in Chinese....

The red papier is a hint at it - here in Europe this stuff was sold by Fotoimpex under the "eco"-label, and it is supposed to have been Shanghai GP3, not lucky.

 

[rjr]

Konica

Well, if it was more then a couple of years ago, there was Konica, who had their own film and paper manufacturing, we saw their colour stuff in Canada, not sure about B&W or what happened to the facility after they sold out to Sony..

First of all there seems to be a company continuing to manufacture Konica films and papers under their own label, a name I just can´t remember.

Konica-Minolta themselves are still in the film business - they manufacture TAC-films for displays, but a similar technology is used with our photographic film bases.

http://in.reuters.com/article/rbssTechMediaTelecomNews/idINT917420090714

Now there is an odd story to it - there is a company in Iran, Aria Paper & Film Industries Co. (PJS). They had a booth at 2008 Photokina, offering VX-films and RA4 papers from the old Konica range with the Aria-brand. It´s not clear wether they just sell the finished product which as been cut up and packed at the original Konica plant or if the do the confection on their own. But it´s definitely fresh materials.

I know that some finishing equipment has been sold to Iran in recent years, but not to Aria.

http://www.swpp.co.uk/trade/10630.htm

 

[wogster]

First of all there seems to be a company continuing to manufacture Konica films and papers under their own label, a name I just can´t remember.

Konica-Minolta themselves are still in the film business - they manufacture TAC-films for displays, but a similar technology is used with our photographic film bases.

http://in.reuters.com/article/rbssTechMediaTelecomNews/idINT917420090714

Now there is an odd story to it - there is a company in Iran, Aria Paper & Film Industries Co. (PJS). They had a booth at 2008 Photokina, offering VX-films and RA4 papers from the old Konica range with the Aria-brand. It´s not clear wether they just sell the finished product which as been cut up and packed at the original Konica plant or if the do the confection on their own. But it´s definitely fresh materials.

I know that some finishing equipment has been sold to Iran in recent years, but not to Aria.

http://www.swpp.co.uk/trade/10630.htm

IIRC the "new" Konica film sold in Japan was marked Made in the USA, so it wasn't the old Konica film.

The Iranian point is an interesting one, I imagine that as Western Europe and North American guzzle the digital Koolaide, that secondary countries like Iran and even tertiary countries will line up behind those to keep the film market going for a long time yet.

 

[spark]

The "Centuria" film sold in Japan is made by "DNP". Packed in cheaper looking boxes than the old stuff and is marked "made in USA", no mention of Konica. It does sell for a lot less than Kodak or Fuji.

 

[wogster]

The "Centuria" film sold in Japan is made by "DNP". Packed in cheaper looking boxes than the old stuff and is marked "made in USA", no mention of Konica. It does sell for a lot less than Kodak or Fuji.

There is only one company manufacturing film in the USA, the one that uses a stylized red K and a lot of yellow in it's packaging.

 

[rjr]

Konica/Aria

Paul,

IIRC the "new" Konica film sold in Japan was marked Made in the USA, so it wasn't the old Konica film.

Ok, I never got close to any late Konica or DNP roll of film.

What stroke me odd was that Aria copied the Konica design 1:1 - it was the same "VX200" label on the box, on the film cartridge, the large boxes with spooled RA4 paper, everything to the tiniest detail was identical to what I have around at my place like the "Konica Minolta" paper box my last film order at Nordfoto was packed in 2008. Just lacking the K-M, showing the "Aria" logo.

The Iranian point is an interesting one, I imagine that as Western Europe and North American guzzle the digital Koolaide, that secondary countries like Iran and even tertiary countries will line up behind those to keep the film market going for a long time yet.

As I said, Iran was investing in new machines in the 2005-2006 timeframe.

But as the events in June/July this year have shown us, at least people in the major cities are using their cell phones when it comes to taking snaps of what is going on. That society is not a tiny wee bit lagging behind when it comes to information technology and the stuff we don´t talk about in this forum.

 

[rjr]

Paul,

There is only one company manufacturing film in the USA

Did Fuji close the finishing plant for film and single use cameras in the US?

 

[wogster]

Paul,



Did Fuji close the finishing plant for film and single use cameras in the US?

A finishing plant is not necessarily manufacturing, considering that labour rates in Japan these days are pretty much on par with the US, the added value of finishing is probably not the most expensive part of the process. Funny thing is, Kodak does their finishing in Mexico, but the film is still marked made in USA.

 

[cmacd123]

Funny thing is, Kodak does their finishing in Mexico, but the film is still marked made in USA.

Both the Kodak Brand (and the arista premium brand for that mater) that I have used recently show the "finished in Mexico" on the box. Normally in most places the "made in" is supposed to show where the majority of the value was added. and that is probably in turning raw materials into film, not cutting and rolling.

Before the move to mexico, the only time I have seen anything like that was some British High speed ektachrome which was marked that it was made in USA but packaged by Kodak Limited London. That was when the place I was working at was buying from a grey market supplier as they offered smaller orders than the minimum from Kodak.

 

[cmacd123]

The "Centuria" film sold in Japan is made by "DNP".

I have seen one seller on E-bay who stated that DNP was Dai-Nippon Printing - which is the firm that bought Konica-Minolta's Inkjet Paper business if I remember right.

I am too hesitant to buy film directly from hong kong to find out.