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Here's another vote for the Agfa Isolette III -- especially as a poor man's substitute for the late Super Ikontas with the Synchro Compur shutter. My Isolette III has the Synchro Compur shutter with the Solinar 3.5 lens. Great camera, but I still have a soft spot for the Super Ikonta -- especially the late B model.

Koi Pond, Super Ikonta B, Fujichrome 100
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A Mess Ikonta (mess = measuring, in other words uncoupled rangefinder) is worth considering. There's more stuff to go wrong on coupled rangefinder cameras. Cameras with Novar lenses are worth looking at too, they get a not so great reputation but they work well for me.
 

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Ill second (third) that most german folders are decent. I use both a Zeiss Nettar with Novar, and more recently/often a Franka Solida 3 with the Radionar 2.9 triplet and uncoupled rangefinder. Both are very good/impressive stopped down a little. Personally, though I'd quite like a late model Ikonta with coupled rangefinder, can't really justify the price they go for. Both my folders cost less than £20.
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I got into folders for exactly the same reason that the OP states, that I wanted to use medium format but didn't want to cart my usual gear (an RB67) around. I wanted something I could slip into a coat pocket (you can't do that with an RB67) and that was pretty cheap but fun. I've ended up with a couple of Ikon Nettars, an early uncoated 510/2 6x9 Novar one for monochrome and a later 517/16 6x6 one for colour. Both cost me less than £20. They are simple enough that if any work needs doing on them you can usually do it yourself, and then if you foul things up, it doesn't matter. It's also lovely working with a camera that has some 80 years of history and use behind it. I'd love a later version Super Ikonta but the prices they go for are crazy. If you're patient you can get a decent pre-war Nettar for less than £10, I've seen them in charity shops for £5 (which is why my 'will get around to servicing those' pile is now getting quite big). There are a whole range of different lens and shutter combinations The early ones have often limited ranges of shutter speeds and pretty slow lenses. You will need a separate exposure meter (or just guess) and a separate rangefinder (or just guess). They are cheap and a lot of fun, and the bellows seem pretty good, my 510 dates from 1936 ish and the bellows are in great condition. The early Novar lenses are not great, prone to flare but sharp in the centre, but that's part of their character. Lens hoods and filters can be hard to source. There are loads of other brands, lots of German ones, but it's worthwhile getting your hands on it and listening to the shutter, looking through the lens with a torch and checking the bellows are light tight by going into a dark room and shining a torch into them when they're fully extended. I find them quite addictive.
 

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The fellow who owns the MF Lenses forum, first name's Attila, owns a Konica Pearl. He posted some pics he took with that camera, and ever since I saw those pics, I've wanted one. It's a very cute and compact 645 folder. But the late one, with the coupled rangefinder, tends to sell for a lot. As much as, if not more than, a late Super Ikonta A. And if I had my druthers, I'd go for a late "A".
 
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Here in Europe I don't think I've ever seen a Super Ikonta go for the equivalent of 100 USD. They're usually 150 EUR and (a lot) more.

I just watched two Super Ikonta 6x6s go on auction (eBay) for half of your proposed budget or just slightly higher. Could be a good option, coupled rangefinder...could be used 645 or 6x6 if the back allows it, no respooling necessary, could be got with a Tessar 80/2.8, folding, lighter than an RB67, have shutters to 1/300 or 1/500.
 

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I'll toss in the Certo Super Sport Dolly. I have one without the rangefinder and with the Trioplan F/2.9 lens. Some have masks for 6x6 and 645 - mine is 645 only. It's very small and the zone focus really isn't a problem if you're in daylight as you won't be opening up the lens too much.
 

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Though I have no experience with them, I'm personally curious about the Konica Pearl and the Takane Mine which apparenly have coupled rangefinders. I have trouble finding them in Europe, unfortunately.

I got lucky and found a takane minesix at a local market in ireland. It's a very capable camera with well placed controls so it handles nicely. Plus it has an asahi kogaku takumar lens so a nice piece of pentax history. Really must take mine out more often! If you can find one for a reasonable price I'd highly recommend it!
 

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I also have an Mamyia 6, have not used in a while, need to replace the seals, with a lens hood and UV filter the lens is very sharp. although not a range finder the 6X9 Kodak Tourister with the 4 element lens is a nice folder, scale focus, accurate shutter.
 

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I recently picked up a Super Ikonta A531 for £50GBP. It's a 1948 model with Van Albada finder and coated Schneider Xenar lens in a Compur rapid. The camera came with a case, lens hood and some filters. It does need a CLA but there does not appear to anything seriously wrong with it other than dirty optics. I happened to be in the right place at the right time. The camera had been poorly described, not stating that it was a Super Ikonta and the seller had set a low buy it now price. I bought it less than 10 minutes after it was listed. I felt quite guilty for getting it so cheaply especially when the seller told me it was his father's camera. I told the seller he could have got rather more for it but he said it was fine as he knew I would use it and I agreed to send him some pictures when it is They do turn up......
 

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Nothing beats or even come close to a post war Super Ikonta B with coated 2.8 Tessar lens. Zeiss folders provide the most rigid lens support...a problem with all other 120 folders. Of course, there is always the 35mm Retinas, also built like tanks (except for film advance...be careful when winding).
 
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update:
I ended up buying a Zenobia 645 (locally) with the 3.5 Neo-Hesper lens. One of the better Japanese Ziess Copies from what I read.
my copy is Well working mechanically with a nice clean lens, thanks to jurgen.
 

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I'll second the Perkeo II. I've used one for years as a travel camera and you couldn't do better for that size. It easily fits in my back pocket like a wallet, and it has a stellar lens with the Color Skopar. I've made a lot of prints from this little camera, mostly 11x14 if shot at f5.4, but I've done larger when stopped down to f8 or more.
 

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If I had deeper pockets I'd have an Ensign Autorange 820. Instead I use one of my ZI Nettars, the 3-element lenses draw nicely but if you're looking for absolute sharpness they're not Hasselblads.
 
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