Lomography 800 color developing?

[peter k.]

Wellll a young acquaintance, seems to be getting into film, from digital, wants me to try a roll he gave me, of 35mm Lomography 800 color.
Oh my.. hmmmm... want to encourage shooting film... sooooo, know it's repackaged something, ... but what, so as I know how long to develop it?

Anybody have any ideas, there's not much 800 out there .. and never shot 800 or developed it, but three I found: CineStill, which is really not a daylight film, Fugi Superia, which I suspected that it might be, and Kodak Portra.
But since it is not listed in Digitaltruth, or anywhere else that I could find ... for developing, nor Freestyle, on there developing web page, although their selling it, but they do have this note on the item page: which seems to give away that it most likely is re packaged CineStill.

"Recommended to process C-41 or you can process in ECN-2 chemistry by hand without worrying about remjet."

Well not going to purchase ECN-2 developer for one roll.. to see what it is, and referring to this group of posts:

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

wondered, if newbies in film, are getting caught up in .. ah .. strange film looks.. using outdated expired film ect... for the thrill and perhaps later getting captured by a real image... with fresh normal film and developer, or am I just an old 'art???

So any thoughts, with developing times, so I can give it a try, in the kit I have, Arista C-41 developing kit.

Who knows, maybe I'll become hip, .. shoot some of my expired film I have just to see the weird results, and stop trying to become a photographer.
... thanks p.

 

[MattKing]

There is just one standard time for C41 films - I would suggest 3:15.

 

[peter k.]

Oh my, hands over face, shaking head, Da.. color is not B&W
I usually only shoot and develop color in spring, this year I was down in Texas doing some voluntary work, so its been a over a year.. plus age.. of time .. and hahahaha.. thank you Matt for wake up call ...
Still laughing...
Next...

 

[Prest_400]

It was amusing to recall that C41 is a standard process. You did mention something that might be worth to discuss a bit.

Anybody have any ideas, there's not much 800 out there .. and never shot 800 or developed it, but three I found: CineStill, which is really not a daylight film, Fugi Superia, which I suspected that it might be, and Kodak Portra.
But since it is not listed in Digitaltruth, or anywhere else that I could find ... for developing, nor Freestyle, on there developing web page, although their selling it, but they do have this note on the item page: which seems to give away that it most likely is re packaged CineStill.

The origin of Lomography films is quite mysterious. IIRC they used to be Ferrania until they went bust. There's a website (cannot link as it sees to be compromised, but google for) which did basic research and concluded that it's quite possible to be Kodak film, a private label of older generation emulsions.

C41 800 is down to Fuji and Kodak. Superia 800, Portra 800 and Ultramax? 800 the latter of which may be the Lomo film and Kodak brand seems to be found only on disposable cameras.
Interesting that Lomo 100 may be the fabled consumer Gold 100, long vanished but that may be still available as Proplus or Profoto under Kodak brand in select markets.
Having said this, they are an interesting budged option if so.

 

[peter k.]

Prest:
Yes it was amusing, and developed it STANDARD, .. and got some very nice images.. never used 800 anything before, and surprised at how well they came out. Excellent film, I expected something from Lomo to be.. ah different.

Question:
Believe it is in fact Protra 800... for those who have some developed, I be curious to see if it has the same code on the film strip as Porta 800..
CN 800-1 800-1 CN
Could someone verify?

Fugi only sales Superia in 35mm in 24, this was a 36 image roll, and Fugi does not sell Superia in 120 MF
Kodak sales Portra 800 in 35mm in 36, and does sell it in 120 MF, which Lomo does also.. so to me that proves it being repackaged Kodak Portra 800, at a better price!
Anymore thoughts?

 

[MattKing]

"CN" doesn't sound like a Kodak code to me, but I certainly could be wrong!

 

[bvy]

"CN" doesn't sound like a Kodak code to me, but I certainly could be wrong!

Kodak BW400CN was Kodak's recently discontinued chromogenic black and white film. For example.

 

[MattKing]

Kodak BW400CN was Kodak's recently discontinued chromogenic black and white film. For example.

You are, of course, absolutely correct.

This 2002 Kodak publication says "PORTRA 800" for Portra 800.

 

[Rudeofus]

This site suggests that Lomography color 800 used to be Ferrania Solaris FG Plus 800 and is now some unknown Kodak emulsion. Personally I can only think of two emulsions which could be sold as "shoot at EI 800 and process in C-41 soup": Kodak Portra 800 and Kodak Vision 3 500T movie stock. Since Lomography specifically highlights that the film can also be processed in ECN-2 chemistry, something they'd be unlikely to do for Portra 800, this would suggest that we're looking at Vision 3 500T movie stock here. Sample images I see on flickr don't show the red halos around specular highlights, so we don't really know.

A question to all those who have used this film: does it have frame numbers by any chance? We know that Portra 800 has them, whereas Cinestill 800T doesn't.

 

[peter k.]

A question to all those who have used this film: does it have frame numbers by any chance?

Yes it does 1 - 36.

 

[Rudeofus]

Yes it does 1 - 36.

Can you somehow describe what else you see one the frame rebates? Anything which would specify the emulsion? Could anyone compare this to what's inside these single use cameras?

 

[peter k.]

Here's a shot of the first frame with some number

here is the same first frame but at the bottom.

 

[madgardener]

Isn't CN a Fuji code? What are the chances it's an old Fuji movie film, or possibly Konica?

 

[foc]

I know that Fuji CN16 is the same as Kodak process C41, but I don't think the 800 CN is a Fuji code.

Have a look here for edge markings (scroll down to page 10 as the PDF or page 20/21 as Fuji page) I know the spec sheet is old, 2005, so there could have been a few changes.
https://www.fujifilmusa.com/shared/bin/ProfessionalFilmDataGuide.pdf