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bruce terry

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... Will I regret my lack of "living the moment" later in life? Is there a time to put the camera down and be a participant in the action? Does anyone else here have trouble knowing when to put the camera down?

I've never owned more than one lens and one camera at a time, whether 35, medium format or 8x10. I photograph for the fun of it, period.

Weird maybe, but with no 'stuff' to fuss over, picture-making is without baggage, so uncomplicated I often get lost IN the moment and miss catching THE moment'. But that's OK, moments experienced are as fine or finer than moments recorded.

The rub is, unless written down or photographed, personal 'moments' are finished when you're finished – why we write I guess, and don't put down the camera.
 
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The rub is, unless written down or photographed, personal 'moments' are finished when you're finished – why we write I guess, and don't put down the camera.



And that is the exact reason why I spend so much time documenting my life instead of living it; posterity! The need to write "I was here" for future generations to get a glimpse of my existance.

Today I ended up going to the park with my two daughters and my mother. I tried resisting the temptation of bringing a camera with me, but I cheated somewhat. I left it in the minivan while I went into the park. Part of me thought that this would be a memorable day for my daughters: they were at the park on a sunny, windy day flying a colorful kite with their father and grandmother. You couldn't ask for a more perfect day. The little one was taking her first steps as she laughed and looked up at the kite. The older one was amazed at how this kite could actually fly!

Will they remember today when they are older? When neither me nor their grandmother are around, will they still have a vivid memory of this wonderful day? Will they remember the bright colors, the bright sun, the neatly trimmed green grass as I saw it?

I enjoyed it very much, in spite of the fact that I felt like running across the park to grab my camera from the minivan. Part of me feels dissapointed that I chose not to photograph this wonderful day.
 

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I take photographs to explore the moment and to express my love.

People who have problems with that are generally not interesting.
 

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Shortly after I married my wife 27 years ago, she began including me in her annual family Christmas blowout at a niece's house. Those annual parties were, for some in the family, the one time each year they all got together. And I'm talking about my wife's two girls from a first marriage, and the offspring of seven children of her late sister. At last count, there were some 25 great-nieces and great nephews of the original seven. The number just seemed to grow each year.
In any event, I always had a camera with me. And every year when I took it out for the inevitable two or three rolls of happy snaps, I heard: "There goes Uncle Ken with his camera again."
I enjoyed the parties just as much with the camera as I would have liked them just eating and drinking and enjoying the fun which, by the way, I still did even with a camera in hand. It's not at all hard to wolf down a platter of goodies even with a camera around my neck.
What I'm enjoying most now is the result of all those years of photography.
Now, when one of the still-growing kids or aging nieces or nephews stops by our place, they ask: "By the way, do you have any of those pictures you always took of us at the Christmas party every year?"
Of course, all those photos are kept chronologically in albums on a large coffee table in my living room. They are meant to be seen -- often -- and enjoyed, not kept in some hideaway closet for future generations. When I'm gone, I expect there'll be a tussle for the prints and a whole bunch of negatives being reprinted.
Sadly, several of those growing youngsters are no longer among the living, and the photos now carry even more meaning with their siblings and cousins. And it's quite nice to see the maturing of more than two dozen young people as they grew.
One year I cajoled the seven original nieces and nephews and my wife's girls, all cousins, to post for a group portrait. Unusual for me, since I usually kept to candids. Then I had large prints made and gifted each of them.
Did the picture-taking detract from my enjoyment of the event? Not at all; it made it more enjoyable.
Did it annoy the subjects? Perhaps at first, but they sure are glad I did it.
Years ago, a few of the clan used throwaway film cameras for some nice, but low-quality shots. In recent years I see them with digital sheapies held at arm's length.
Amazingly, they always want to see my results with film and whatever 35mm camera I am using that year.
 

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I too have hundreds of photographs of my two children taken over the past 8 years. However I have very few, maybe half a dozen, photographs of myself with my wife and children. It hit home last week when my parents celebrated their golden wedding anniversary. My neice took a photograph of my parents, my sister and myself. It's the first photograph ever taken of the four of us together. At the end of the day I want my kids to have some memories not only of their parents but of the four of us together. Time to get the long cable release out.
 

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A way to achieve both a record and to enjoy the moment -- which only happens once -- and for grandpas anyway: give the camera to daughter or son at the event. They have lots of time with the kids, you probably have less. Of course it helps if daughter is working on the photographic desk of a newspaper and knows what she's doing! I'll always remember without a pictorial record my grand daughter's first birthday on Bondi beach and the way she charmed a group of recent new Australian residents from Brazil. I had 2 cameras in my bag which stayed there.

Great thread BTW.

Regards - Ross
 

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I try to give myself a "Day without cameras" every once in a while, even on a trip. Most of my travel is undertaken with photography as a primary activity, and this is a great source of pleasure and relaxation for me (as well as exercise... haul a 5x7 kit with a dozen film holders and six lenses across Buenos Aires and see how fast you lose weight!). I didn't really take one on my trip to Argentina, but I did make sure to stop and just savor the moment, watch and observe and create my own memories while I was up at Iguazu Falls. I did the same thing on my Eastern Sierra sojourn - I stopped to just take in the early morning light from the top of Black's Point overlooking Mono Lake, and again up in Lundy Canyon, and especially when viewing the cemetery at Manzanar. There are some moments and emotions you just can't capture on film, and are better kept as personal memories. I can retell them and let my reader experience that feeling more deeply and profoundly by imagining them in their own head than I can by taking a picture of it, because the emotion of the moment is too lyrical, too poetic, to be expressed by the literal representation of a photograph.

I had my epiphany to this state of affairs when I went to Cambodia. I dragged the camera around with me all over the temples in the Angkor complex, and had a grand old time at it. I had plans to take a break from temple-gazing, and went up to Phnom Kulen, a sacred mountain. I got up that morning and decided to leave the camera behind, because I knew there were some things I wanted to see that bringing the camera along would be at best an encumberance, and at worst, would put the camera at risk of damage or loss (descending a cliff to the bottom of a 30m tall waterfall).

Instead of living behind the camera and flattening my experience into 2-d representations that would be guaranteed to disappoint me, I clambered over rocks through dense jungle to see a buddhist shrine in a cave with a well that never goes dry, meet two young Cambodian men who tended the shrine and wanted to challenge me to a footrace (which I politely declined, given that I most likely weigh what the two of them do combined, and would have surely lost, if not broken my ankle!).

Coming around a bend in the path, I stopped to observe a crystal clear spring bubbling up out of the ground. The waters of the spring are the clearest water I have ever seen- truly like bavarian crystal. The apparent bottom of the spring is not the bottom, though. What looks like a sandy floor to the spring is actually a suspension layer- the sand bubbles and swirls, and it goes down another twenty or thirty feet before hitting bedrock.

All along the trail, I was followed by butterflies of every imaginable size, shape and color pattern. There were tiny white ones the size of my thumbnail, giant ones with fantastic dots and swirl patterns on wings each of which was the size of my open hand. They flitted in and out of the dappled beams of sunlight piercing the jungle canopy, and led us to the banks of the sacred river which flows down Phnom Kulen. The riverbed has been carved with hundreds upon hundreds of Hindu religious icons, the phallic Linga, so that all the waters of the river would be blessed, and the holy water would feed the fields of the plains below and make them rich and fertile.

Crossing the river on a fallen tree, like I would do as a young boy traversing the stream of the Conochoteague as it wandered through the fields around my hometown of Chambersburg, Pennsylvania, I stopped to look into the river and observe the carvings from a better vantage point. A scene of Shiva and Lakshmi, his consort, could be clearly seen. The carving had been made in the riverbed over a thousand years ago, yet was still plainly visible when the waters ran clear and undisturbed. I returned to the riverbank, still chased by the horde of butterflies.

Along a rocky stretch of the trail, following a group of Cambodian teenagers texting each other with their mobile phones, I saw a tiny orchid, the blossom no bigger than my pinky nail, the whole plant the size of my thumb, clinging to a crevice in the rock face. I so wanted to try and photograph it, but trying to do so would have been a logistical nightmare, blocking the trail and annoying everyone behind me. It would in the end also have meant less to me, because I would not have endowed it with the same emotive resonance - having to remember it makes it all the more precious a symbol of the beauty and fragility and amazing tenacity of life. To photograph it would also remove it from the context of that moment- it would be a beautiful photograph of an orchid, but the contrast of the orchid and the cellphones would be nowhere to be found but in my mind, and would be lost to the viewer.
 

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When I want to live the moment I leave my camera at home.
But I also live the moment when I am in the nature and a beatifull scene is popping up due to the light, fog, etc... I shoot the pic, and look at the scene until it disappears. After that I can replay the scene when I look at my print.

I sold all my 35mm equip and shoot on 6x6 and 4x5. I now shoot 1-2 pics where i in the past shot half a roll on 35mm.....
 

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Last night I was at Aziza Musteafa Zadeh concert. I listened it, then made one photograph. Sound of shutter/mirror simply ruined particular piece for me. So, I put camera aside, closed eyes and enjoyed rest of concert. And not regretting not to have photographs from concert.

And I won't even go into situation of ethical doubts, to help someone in need or to make/take photograph of that person...
 
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I try to give myself a "Day without cameras" every once in a while, even on a trip. Most of my travel is undertaken with photography as a primary activity, and this is a great source of pleasure and relaxation for me (as well as exercise... haul a 5x7 kit with a dozen film holders and six lenses across Buenos Aires and see how fast you lose weight!). I didn't really take one on my trip to Argentina, but I did make sure to stop and just savor the moment, watch and observe and create my own memories while I was up at Iguazu Falls. I did the same thing on my Eastern Sierra sojourn - I stopped to just take in the early morning light from the top of Black's Point overlooking Mono Lake, and again up in Lundy Canyon, and especially when viewing the cemetery at Manzanar. There are some moments and emotions you just can't capture on film, and are better kept as personal memories. I can retell them and let my reader experience that feeling more deeply and profoundly by imagining them in their own head than I can by taking a picture of it, because the emotion of the moment is too lyrical, too poetic, to be expressed by the literal representation of a photograph.

I had my epiphany to this state of affairs when I went to Cambodia. I dragged the camera around with me all over the temples in the Angkor complex, and had a grand old time at it. I had plans to take a break from temple-gazing, and went up to Phnom Kulen, a sacred mountain. I got up that morning and decided to leave the camera behind, because I knew there were some things I wanted to see that bringing the camera along would be at best an encumberance, and at worst, would put the camera at risk of damage or loss (descending a cliff to the bottom of a 30m tall waterfall).

Instead of living behind the camera and flattening my experience into 2-d representations that would be guaranteed to disappoint me, I clambered over rocks through dense jungle to see a buddhist shrine in a cave with a well that never goes dry, meet two young Cambodian men who tended the shrine and wanted to challenge me to a footrace (which I politely declined, given that I most likely weigh what the two of them do combined, and would have surely lost, if not broken my ankle!).

Coming around a bend in the path, I stopped to observe a crystal clear spring bubbling up out of the ground. The waters of the spring are the clearest water I have ever seen- truly like bavarian crystal. The apparent bottom of the spring is not the bottom, though. What looks like a sandy floor to the spring is actually a suspension layer- the sand bubbles and swirls, and it goes down another twenty or thirty feet before hitting bedrock.

All along the trail, I was followed by butterflies of every imaginable size, shape and color pattern. There were tiny white ones the size of my thumbnail, giant ones with fantastic dots and swirl patterns on wings each of which was the size of my open hand. They flitted in and out of the dappled beams of sunlight piercing the jungle canopy, and led us to the banks of the sacred river which flows down Phnom Kulen. The riverbed has been carved with hundreds upon hundreds of Hindu religious icons, the phallic Linga, so that all the waters of the river would be blessed, and the holy water would feed the fields of the plains below and make them rich and fertile.

Crossing the river on a fallen tree, like I would do as a young boy traversing the stream of the Conochoteague as it wandered through the fields around my hometown of Chambersburg, Pennsylvania, I stopped to look into the river and observe the carvings from a better vantage point. A scene of Shiva and Lakshmi, his consort, could be clearly seen. The carving had been made in the riverbed over a thousand years ago, yet was still plainly visible when the waters ran clear and undisturbed. I returned to the riverbank, still chased by the horde of butterflies.

Along a rocky stretch of the trail, following a group of Cambodian teenagers texting each other with their mobile phones, I saw a tiny orchid, the blossom no bigger than my pinky nail, the whole plant the size of my thumb, clinging to a crevice in the rock face. I so wanted to try and photograph it, but trying to do so would have been a logistical nightmare, blocking the trail and annoying everyone behind me. It would in the end also have meant less to me, because I would not have endowed it with the same emotive resonance - having to remember it makes it all the more precious a symbol of the beauty and fragility and amazing tenacity of life. To photograph it would also remove it from the context of that moment- it would be a beautiful photograph of an orchid, but the contrast of the orchid and the cellphones would be nowhere to be found but in my mind, and would be lost to the viewer.



It is truely amazing how I pictured the scene after reading your post! The imagery is amazing! This is where art meets photography; when we try to capture that moment in time that inspired us and print it as we saw it in our mind.

I often wonder about the difference bewteen photography and other art forms. I imagine that painters and sculptors can isolate their thoughts and images, they can "remove the cell phones from the orchid" and provide the viewer with a representation of their vision. I think that it is much more difficult to capture the emotion of the moment with all the elements as they were, as we saw them, instead of isolating a few elements and combining them with color, texture, or technique as a painter or sculptor would.
 

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I often carry some sort of camera but it depends on what else is going on whether I will pull it out or for how long.

1) Graduation, not in my family but friends. On impulse I stuck my little point and shoot in a pocket. Good times, good food, no one has a camera, didn't evem see anyone using a cell phone camera. Pulled out the point and shoot, shot a roll and later gave the prints and negatives to the family. I think its the only pictures they have of the event.

2) Family reunion - I dragged along some medium format equipment. Lots of cousins and their children, no idea who is who or belongs to who. Several with cameras running around. I shoot a couple of pictures of my father and his siblings together, a rare opportunity. Put my equipment away and enjoyed the rest of the day without the camera.
 

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Most of us here enjoy taking photographs, and enjoy looking at photographs too.

I would say that as long as the photographs don't become more important than the event itself, go for it!

I'm quite accomplished at catching people unawares at things like family functions, but almost invariably in a way that causes them to smile. It can be a way to hide behind the camera, but it can also be a way to initiate contact. Try to make the best of it.

Matt
 

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When I was hanging out with a girl I liked last year I used to bring along my camera out of habit. We hung around the school, walked along the river, went to the art gallery and museum. Nothing came of it in the end but we're good friends now, and I learned that you cant focus an SLR and hold hands at the same time.
I leave the camera at home now and then now.
 

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I started photographing all the time back when I was in high school in the late 1960's (yearbook), and in college (yearbooks), and two of my three cousins were heavily into photography, as was the brother of a girl I liked. A few years later I joined the Peace Corps (Zaire), then worked in Algeria, got married, had kids and started a career that's taken me all over the world. I know exactly what is meant when you say that you spend more time looking at the world through a viewfinder than experiencing it. But if that means I'll be able to look at all the pictures I've taken of my two sons (in their 20's now) -- well, it was worth it. I've got the kind of memory where I seem to remember a lot of details about some things, but I can't remember more than ten things that happened in my childhood. I've always been like this, so having photos really helps me remember all that I've done, and that the children I love have done. So maybe I've missed some direct engagement, but I cherish the memories I have on film. Interestingly, now that my kids are grown, I still photograph, but I don't do so with the sense that if I miss the moment, I'll never see it again. Missing a street photo shot or another picture of a nice scene --well, there will be more of those down the road.
 

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The most memorable part of seeing a total solar eclipse was the 30 seconds I was not looking thru a viewfinder. It had no emotional effect till I viewed it directly, then it was overwhelming. If I ever get to see another one I might just leave the camera at home.
 
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