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Maybe this is just internet noise. However, most commentaries and reviews of the Zeiss lens on the Ikoflex get high marks. Maybe yours is not collimated or adjusted correctly?

I'm guessing the cemented doublet on the Ikoflex is off. Just a guess. Now that I'm thinking about it, IIRC the front elements are fixed as well. One of these days I'll take the lens apart and really look at it. Or maybe shoot a laser through it and see if it is off. It is just a fun camera for me, and one I keep around so I don't buy a Rolleiflex again. I probably only use it maybe once every two or three years.
 

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I'm guessing the cemented doublet on the Ikoflex is off. Just a guess. Now that I'm thinking about it, IIRC the front elements are fixed as well. One of these days I'll take the lens apart and really look at it. Or maybe shoot a laser through it and see if it is off. It is just a fun camera for me, and one I keep around so I don't buy a Rolleiflex again. I probably only use it maybe once every two or three years.

Even my lowly Novar-Anastigmat lens on the Ikoflex Ia is extremely sharp. So I would be surprised that a Tessar on IIa will be dud. Hope you get it sorted so you can enjoy it more.

On the other hand, I do adore those triplet lens. It gives the rendition a bit of glow, especially wide open for portraits.
 

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I'm guessing the cemented doublet on the Ikoflex is off. Just a guess. Now that I'm thinking about it, IIRC the front elements are fixed as well. One of these days I'll take the lens apart and really look at it. Or maybe shoot a laser through it and see if it is off. It is just a fun camera for me, and one I keep around so I don't buy a Rolleiflex again. I probably only use it maybe once every two or three years.

Of the many Rolleiflexes I've had, and have, two pre-war Tessars were good, but not excellent, but others are excellent and razor sharp. I think either the elements weren't perfectly matched or that the elements in the cemented doublet weren't perfectly centered. One would think that the quality control got better in the 1950s. But I've had bad luck with two Xenars on Rolleicords.
 

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I'm guessing the cemented doublet on the Ikoflex is off. Just a guess. Now that I'm thinking about it, IIRC the front elements are fixed as well. One of these days I'll take the lens apart and really look at it. Or maybe shoot a laser through it and see if it is off. It is just a fun camera for me, and one I keep around so I don't buy a Rolleiflex again. I probably only use it maybe once every two or three years.

I have an Ikoflex 1b and probably going to acquire IIa later model this year. Even the lens on the 1b is very good.
 

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I don’t blame you. Those lotto numbers in my fortune cookies have always been BS.
You should toss out everything you have that is made in China. But if you bought an Iphone 14, I’ll take it.

As for Light Lens Lab, I‘m really looking forward to their upcoming Super Panchro Cooke 50mm f2 lens.

Funny enough, I think I have exactly one Chinese made camera. Maybe.

I don't use an Iphone, I do use Chinese products all the time but refuse to eat anything manufactured there if I can help it. 'Gutter oil' shudder.

These upgraded Seagulls are going to be mighty expensive I assume. Good luck fellas.
 

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Very cool.


Those MTFs are impressive! If I had one of those cameras I'd go for the upgrade.
 

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Funny enough, I think I have exactly one Chinese made camera. Maybe.

I don't use an Iphone, I do use Chinese products all the time but refuse to eat anything manufactured there if I can help it. 'Gutter oil' shudder.

These upgraded Seagulls are going to be mighty expensive I assume. Good luck fellas.

Expensive.... I"d like to have one that doesn't look like a redwood tree.
 

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"Whoa" on the political comments folks.

Planar is a Zeiss name. They are NOT MADE IN CHINA. The Made In Singapore Planar lenses were made under license by Rollei Singapoare.
On the guitar forums users are forbidden to post about the Chinese copies of guitars. Maybe that should be a policy here too.

Folks......I keep getting contacted by guitar companies about posts that have trademark violations. Please don't post about any instrument that breaks intellectual property rights (see Rule 4 in the TGP rules). Whether you agree or not, building these guitars is illegal and, in my opinion, is unethical. It doesn't matter what country they are made in. It's your business what you purchase and I'm not going to tell anyone what they can and can't buy. However, once it is posted on TGP, it becomes a problem. Your help in this would be most appreciated.

Edited to add: I have received a number of PMs and wanted to address the questions here. Asking if a guitar is genuine is fine. That is different from posting a "look at what I have" type of post about a guitar that uses another company's trademarks. The problem that leads companies to contact TGP is more based on people posting "Look at my new guitar" or "Here is my replica guitar being built" threads. We also tend to be contacted when someone tries to sell a guitar that illegally uses another company's trademarks.

We do not look for things like this and realistically can't. With thousands of posts every day, we tend to respond to reported posts or when we are contacted by a company. For example, Gibson is very aggressive in looking for intellectual property violations, including their trademarks for headstock shape, use of "Gibson" or "Les Paul". We are NOT experts on trademarks and don't pretend to be. We simply follow our legal and ethical obligations when contacted by an authorized representative of a company. Brian Scherzer: Co-founder of The Gear Page
 

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So you can't post an experience (good or bad) with cameras or accessories if made in China? Or mention a name of a specific company?
 

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I too am excited... about 50/2 speed panchro. I have a mod'ed 100mm Deep Field Panchro for my Hassy, and it's the bomb. Love it.
 

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So you can't post an experience (good or bad) with cameras or accessories if made in China? Or mention a name of a specific company?

If it was made in Canada or Germany or UK we'd be able to savage it and say how horrible the thing is.
 
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Planar is a trademark of Zeiss. The Planar design is long since in the public domain, Rudolph's patent expired maybe a hundred years ago. I think the only transgression the company has made is saying they are going to put a Planar in the camera rather than a Planar type or a Planar copy.

Certain music forums have restrictive policies about (for ex) older copy guitars that copied a few distinctive design features, because certain guitar manufacturers can be litigious to the point of unreason, and forum owners can't afford to defend against threats even if the forum owner would win. I don't think going down that path is a positive thing. Leica, to my knowledge, has never gone after a forum for talking about "Leica copies," or even those crude forgeries of Leicas. Because Leica has better things to do. (It's not legal to sell a camera with a forged name stamped on it, but it is legal to talk about the item.)
 

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I think we can tell when someone is complaining about certain product made in certain country, whether it is based on questionable intent, or whether it is genuine.

For example, the image qualities of the latest lenses from 7Artisan and TTArtisan are excellent, and the prices are ridiculous. Now we might want to find out why it's so low cost. That would be a legit question too.
 

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I think we can tell when someone is complaining about certain product made in certain country, whether it is based on questionable intent, or whether it is genuine.

For example, the image qualities of the latest lenses from 7Artisan and TTArtisan are excellent, and the prices are ridiculous. Now we might want to find out why it's so low cost. That would be a legit question too.

Children's hands are smaller so they can manipulate the small delicate parts better.
 

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You won't know for sure until you find one with tiny finger prints on the inside glass. :smile:

'Oh no, those are just Elves. Yep. Nothing to see here. Yes, that's our weather balloon production facilities.'
 

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Many people are reluctant to buy Chinese made products and I can't figure out why. I have used Shanghai GP-3 film and have found it to be one of the best films on the market today! Bar none! I have read on the internet that it is used on high altitude weather balloons to record their trips in high resolution. Anyway back to regular programming.
 

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Many people are reluctant to buy Chinese made products and I can't figure out why. I have used Shanghai GP-3 film and have found it to be one of the best films on the market today! Bar none! I have read on the internet that it is used on high altitude weather balloons to record their trips in high resolution. Anyway back to regular programming.

We don't really have a choice these days as to if we want to buy PRC products or not. They make everything.
 

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I've had two Seagulls/Haious. Imho the problem isn't the lens (although I'm sure the Planar is much better than the triplet that they come with) but the very fragile shutter.
 
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I know it's counter productive but the obsession over whether or not this is 'affordable' or not is not great. Lets assume they can spec this thing up to something like a 3.5E from Rollei, which it sounds like they're trying to do minus a few cool features like the auto film detection, meter, etc... Why would you want that to be 'cheap'? Cheap means you get something like the original Seagull, which was basically a Toy Camera+. You want it to be good, to last a long time, to have a 2nd life on the used market. Rolleis and Hasselblads are still widely used today because they were anything but cheap and affordable.

I hope they make an absolutely killer TLR and I would pay a decent amount of money for it. The camera I most want brought back is the GF670 AKA Bessa III. That was called 'too expensive' back in its day, and now it's selling for more than MSRP. I WISH I would have bought a new one back then.
 

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So anyway, that Speed Panchro II is meant to be about $1K.

As for the updated Seagull? You think they'd bother if it would be expensive? People would just get a Rolleiflex. Of course it is going to be affordable.
 
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