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I can bring a number of old lenses on boards that fit the cameras I'll bring - a Cambo, a Calumet and an Anniversary Speed Graphic (gotta love that focal plane shutter!) Couple of those old Magic Lantern lenses, a pile of holders and maybe some 5x7 stuff and a 9x12 plate camera with film adapters, though I'm limited on holders for those. All are available for use - just send the holders back to me later.

YE HA! This sounds like fun! Is it March yet?
 

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I can bring lots of loaded 4x5 and 5x7 even 8x10 holders ready to go for those that want to try using a big negative...
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Don't know how I missed this earlier but I should be ble to make it with my normal loaded truckload of lenses and a couple of 4x5's and a 5x7 and a few solid tripods. Assuming I can make it I will have at least a 250 and 300 Imagon and likely a Verito to demo how these soft focus lenses work and for others to use. If I can't make it I can probably arrange to have Peter bring the lenses or just leave them there in Gene's or Dave's safekeeping as I will be there all weekend a few weeks before doing a LF scanning workshop.

I second Gene's comment about not needing any lights up-stairs. A few months ago Richard Ritter and I did a mini LF intro workshop there and we worked entirely with T55 film and natural light. However, if folks want to learn about workihng with light I can add whatever additional lighting equipment is needed .. additional 500 ws monolights (5) scrims, translucent panels, etc.
 

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Got four boxes of Polaroid Type 53 4x5 film for the workshop. Now to get backup batteries for the holder....
 

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Swop meet too?

Anybody interested in bringing some of the excess "stuff" they have to swop and or sell at this workshop/social? I have odd bits I'd love to trade for somebody else's junk. Rapid Rectilinears anyone? the odd shutter? lens cells that have no home? I even have a few cameras that could use a new owner.

I'm not thinking tables of big bucks stuff, just bits here and there for anyone interested... or am I in danger of making this thing waaaay too complicated?
 

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Bill Hahn said:
As far as I'm concerned, shooting
large format with strobe lights is a mysterious and dark art practised only
by a few wizards....:smile:
QUOTE]

I would love to attend this work shop, however it is impossible. I would also love to witness the look on Bill H's face when he finds out the truth!.... :smile:

And that is how easy and how quickly the mystery and wizardry disappear.
Then the fun takes over!

Good luck, I am sorry I cannot be there!

Charlie Webb....................
 

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Whiteymorange said:
Anybody interested in bringing some of the excess "stuff" they have to swop and or sell at this workshop/social? I have odd bits I'd love to trade for somebody else's junk. Rapid Rectilinears anyone? the odd shutter? lens cells that have no home? I even have a few cameras that could use a new owner.

I'm not thinking tables of big bucks stuff, just bits here and there for anyone interested... or am I in danger of making this thing waaaay too complicated?

Yer speakin' my language! I can bring along some "interesting" stuff, not all large format.

Speaking of old lenses, I have a couple that folks will find fun to use - an 8 inch Darlot Rapid Rectilinear for 4X5 (Packard shutter), another 4X5 Rapid Rectilinear (a B&L) off an old Kodak 3A (Kodak Ball Bearing shutter), a 10" B&L Petzval for 5X7 (Packard shutter), a 10" Euryscope IV for 5X7 (Packard shutter), a 10" B&L Rapid Rectilinear for 5X7 (Unicum shutter), and a B&L Triple Convertible for 5X7 (Regno shutter). Since my 5X7 uses a 4.5" lensboards, I'll make adapters to use them on a 4X5 Toyo and a 6X6 inch one for the 8X10 Calumet before the workshop so they can be used on other cameras as well. Likewise, I'll have both the 5X7 and 4X5 reducing backs for the 8X10 camera, and a 2-up split sliding back for the 5X7 Eastman #2.

Part of my "things to do list" this weekend is to make waterhouse stops for the Darlot and the Euryscope (the Euryscope just arrived today - Thanks Jim Galli!).

BTW - I also plan on bringing a big, semi rigid changing tent as well as a LARGE collection of holders. The tent is a Fuji FDB12 that is normally used to load paper for minilab paper cassettes, so it's plenty large enough. If anyone wants to use 8X10, 5X7, or 4X5 and doesn't have equipment, bring a box of film and you're welcome to use my gear - you can load and unload holders and then process your film at your leisure.

edit: I should mention, I'll only have 2 lenses for 8X10, a 17" f/10 Ektanon and a 305mm f/9 Nikkor. Both are in barrel with Packard shutters.
 

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I'm interested, have camera, and holders

I'd love to come to this workshop. I have a Toyo 4x5 that I can bring including Polaroid, Fuji and sheet holders (changing tent, too). I'll keep my eye out for more details.

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great to have you on board...our numbers are growing! Have you been to springfield before? Pagagene will give you any info you need as far as directions.

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I'd love to come just to watch - I'm very interested in LF portraiture, even though I'm only working in MF now. And Springfield isn't that far from Boston.

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Oh man... we could have a good crowd!! :D

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Some resources for thinking about portraiture...part one

After reading Charlie Webb's posting above (he was reacting to my comment that LF portraiture with strobes was a "dark and mysterious art"), I PM'ed him and asked him to pass on any thoughts/resources about LF portraiture. I think Charlie worked for 50 years as a professional photographer, and so I think his information should be interesting, even if it may seem dated to some folks. He indicated that he would expect some people to disagree with him, which didn't bother him one bit. I think his best piece of advice is "relax and have fun" (see part two).

So with his permission I'll pass on what he told me. First of all, he referred me to a website originally posted by Bob Fowler on APUG, which he said reflected the training he received when starting out in the business. If you've never thought a lot about posing, or lighting the face, here's a place to start....it raised lots of issues I never thought about....

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Thinking about portraiture - part two

Here, with his permission, is Charlie's first PM to me. I had mentioned to him about people using polaroids to help get the exposure right, hence his reference to it below. This is how they used to do it....

Charlie said:
Bill, The reason behind my comments were to try and get folks to relax a bit. That Portraiture done with strobes or any other type of light is extremely simple and straight forward. There is very little mystery to it, but a lot of thought, planning and most of all "Seeing/looking" at or perhaps studying the subjects face. Exposure and lighting ratios though important are not the main thing to be concerned about. I was very fortunate to have worked with several of the best portrait makers in the world at that time. I follow pretty much in their footsteps as I
relay only the information they shared with me. I began making portraits in a time that Polaroid was only passing thought in Dr. Lands mind. It simply did not exist. The only possible way to tune your lighting and exposure skills was "testing". There were not many choices back then in films, so a photographer picked the film that had the characteristics he liked and learned to use and get the best possible results with it. His choice of film generally was influenced to a great degree by cost. The testing though a bit boreing involved someone to sit for you, your choice of film and your choice of light. The next step was to study your sitters face, actually you could walk 360 degrees around and look for various things, Long nose, Short nose, Protruding ears, round shaped face/head, elongated, slim or chubby. These things alone tell you where you put your lights. This is where you will have to do some work/study on your own to find out exactly what I mean here. I would start building my portrait lighting by placing the background light on a ground at least 6 to 8 feet behind the seated subject. Adjust the BG light to "break" (Top edge of the circle of light ) no higher than the subjects eyes. Now you have a silhoute when viewing from the camera position. Next with a light on a boom adjust a hair light to give a bit of seperation from the back ground. Do not let this light shine on the shoulders or ears, it is strictly for the hair. BTW you are still looking at a silhoute from the camera position. Ok now bring in the main (key) light.
Turn your subject to what you feel is best, lets say you like him looking slightly to the left (nose not pointing directly at camera) Now you have a decision!
What do you see when you look into the subjects face. Round, tri angular long and slim. lets choose round. This tells you that the main light should placed to the right and above the subject. Why must this be? By using a term called "Short Lighting"
we can create the illusion of a slimmer face. The face is slightly back lit, with the near side of the face
in shadow towards the camera. Adjust the main light towards the camera with out the subject moving until a bit of light spills over the bridge of the nose and creates a small triangular patch of light on the left cheek. Look at the nose and it's shadow, does the shadow fall accross the upper lip and corner of the mouth? If so raise the light until the shadow of the nose falls (ends) between the upper lip and corner of the mouth still maintaining the patch of light on the cheek. Wow, sounds hard huh, believe me it isn't.

Now when we look at the subject we see a high contrast "Chalk and Soot" image. Enter stage right the fill light. Adjust it to about the height of the camera lens axis. ( Camera lens should be slightly above the seated subjects eyes) fairly close to the camera. Move it in towards the subject or back to create your lighting ratio. Whoops what if the subject is wearing glasses? Raise the fill higher above the lense axis until the reflection is gone or retouch in the finished print.

Lets say you like what you see, on the ground glass load up some holders, adjust your camera and make a guess exposure. We are using strobes, so we have no clue where to start, a strobe meter would be wonderful, but when I did my testing they hadn't been invented yet. So make a series of four or more shots. Perhaps f4.5, f5.6, f8, f11 and f 16. Move nothing at this point but the subject. Leave lights and camera in exactly the place you made the exposures. Develop your film, all sheets at the same time. pick out the one you think best and use it's exposure for your next fine tuning camera session.
Continued:
 

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More on portraiture, part 3.

Here's the last part:

Charlie Webb said:
Lay the developed and dryed negative on a sheet of news paper in normal light you should be able to read the print easily through the shadow areas of the negative. The print should be barely discernable through the high light area of the neg.. Now that you have a base exposure to work with go to your main light and with duct tape attach a length of string long enough reach from the edge of the reflector to the nose or chin of your subject. tie a knot or a button in it so you can always find the same distance. Do the same with your fill light. On each string tie a knot or whatever exactly 1 foot from the end marker put at least three of the 1 foot intervals on each string. this is what I call my $.90 cent constant intensity exposure meter. Whenever you set up you lights in the future put your light any where you might want them but use the marked strings to give you the same exact distance from subject to main and fill lights, and your exposure will always be the same. Weather you are shooting still life, table tops or portraits, you lighting and exposure will remain constant

Remember to set your lens to the f stop indicated on your best/test negative. The string system works with hot lights also. Remember we didn't have meters back then.

Bill, I apologize for the length of this , but I guarantee it will work. I think B.Fowler gave a online address for the best portrait tips I have ever seen. The guy shows everyting I know and a lot more. I spent a life time learning this stuff, and there are all the answers right there on the internet.

There is a lot more that I could say, but space simply
won't allow at this time. Like, when to use Broad Light. Short Light I hit a little bit on, but came nowhere near covering it's use. Also corrective portrature, which can save bundles on retouching.
 

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Oh yeah....one last thing he said...

...a rotating chair/stool is nice to have so the subject can be rotated to
see the effect of your (fixed lighting) rather than have you walk around the subject guessing where to place the lights. It might be worth bringing
such an item to the workshop...
 

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Along with all my other junk, I will bring a couple of swivel chairs - if need be we can take the backs off.
Folks... if ya is bringing a lot of equipment, please PM me. I would suggest you stop in front of the Center and we can wheel your STUFF in on the flatbed hand-truck. Then you can take your vehicle around the corner and park in the lot behind BankNorth.
Also, please let me know what time you expect to arrive so I can be there for ya.
This appears like it is gonna be a well attended event and I hope a lot of fun. Remember that there are photographic opportunities on the lower level. a wonderful, large spiral staircase and yes I am still trying to get access to the vault.
Anybody up for Red Rose Pizza after the photography? :D

gene
 

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One of the most important things to remember with large format portraiture is to try to use a well-supported pose.The lag time from focus & compose to trip the shutter can seem like an eternity to the subject, so any kind of posing prop that prevents the subject from moving or getting fidgety is a huge plus.

I didn't see Gene's last post before I posted my last reply...

Up for pizza? Ya gotta be kidding! Some of us LIVE for pizza! :smile:
 

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bobfowler said:
You can use my Toyo D45M. I plenty of real nice lenses for it. I plan on bringing a boatload of holders and a changing tent.
Cool, that's great Bob. I'll bring my Polaroid 545i back as well. I really like Type 55 now. This time, I'll bring the sodium sulphite bucket!

Thanks, Art.
 

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gr82bart said:
Cool, that's great Bob. I'll bring my Polaroid 545i back as well. I really like Type 55 now. This time, I'll bring the sodium sulphite bucket!

Thanks, Art.

Sure beats using the slop sink! :smile:
 
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bobfowler said:
One of the most important things to remember with large format portraiture is to try to use a well-supported pose.The lag time from focus & compose to trip the shutter can seem like an eternity to the subject, so any kind of posing prop that prevents the subject from moving or getting fidgety is a huge plus.

I won't try this with my 6 and 9 year old sons.
 

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PI-ZZA! PI-ZZA! Gene, you need to rent the whole place- maybe even the entire hotel above the whole place! It looks like this will be a major event. Hordes (herds?) of large format photographers converging on Springfield! Hasn't happened since the last time Gene had an event. Yay Gene!

'Course it could end up being just a couple of us... Still be fun, though.

Whitey

PS Did you ever sort out a time for this thing? I'd go back, but there are 5 pages of replies in this thread!
 

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I plan on getting there early (8:00am) just to start prepping. I'd say if people started showing up at 9:00 - 9:30 or so we could get under way at 10:00am. But if you guys wanna get there at 8:00, it's OK with me!! :D Peter... I know you'll be there waiting for me to show up. :wink:
We can go until late afternoon, whenever we all run outta steam. Then head down to Red Rose for some PIZZA!!!!! I checked and there is no Falcon's hockey game that night - they are on the road. But I had better check and see if anything else is scheduled at the ol' civic center.
This could be the start of something big - an annual event that could grow into a "Real" event. Or it could be just a one-time party where we all have a good ol' time. Either way, it is always good to meet and hang out with other APUG'ers.

gene
 

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Looks like my wife has given me permission to attend! ...actually she released me from another committment (sp?) ...so I'm planning breakfast next door and pizza later. Also, i've copied my previous post about times in case some sort of schedule is needed. At the least, it is a starting point...

I think we can schedule a basic 4x5 class from 9 to 10:30 or so, coffee break, then at 11, go over portrait lighting till 12:30, then lunch. At 1330, go into groups for taking portraits.
 
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WOW!! This is going to be great!!

As Drew mentioned... I think we should have some organization to the day, and at least try to stick with a bit of a schedule. I'd love to see someone set up their LF camera, put a model in front, and make a few 'roids. Some with light, maybe a simple softbox or umbrella, and some with window light perhaps.

I'd like to keep the morning demo simple, and straightforward for us newbie LFers! Then let the afternoon be a real free for all!

It'll be great to meet some APUGgers from beyond New England, too!!
 

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So, I currently do not shoot LF (I am a MF shooter), and I don't live in MASS (I'm in NYC). However, may I come and observe if I can make it up there?

Jim
 
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