AMEN.
... and now I wish I were a Harper's subscriber. I haven't seen those articles. They look interesting.
... and now I wish I were a Harper's subscriber. I haven't seen those articles. They look interesting.
Lewis Carroll's Photographs
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Well, I thank jbaphoto, John, for spell checking me. Reminds me of my fuddy duddy middle school English teacher. But, ''what is the point?'' Really, you can't make that connection? The point, or points are, here's another photographer, one of many, who have photographed children in a way that some people seem to think sexualizes them. Now I don't like Henson, not because he's creepy, but because his pictures, to me, seem overly slick and self-conscious. When I look at Carroll's work, I enjoy them on many levels, including a glimpse into a rather eccentric part of his personality. I'm glad his pictures exist. Likewise Sturgis, and Sally Mann. And sometimes people get upset. So what. Worst pictures I've seen I think, were pictures of Nazi officers hanging children. This stuff, it is what it is.
Hey John, did I spell ''fuddy duddy'' right?
And now we see you aren't just a historian, you are equally interested in smearing the living as well.
Who needs proof when you have suspicion and "other information"?
Good Morning Artonpaper,
I am sure fuddy duddy is right, but spell check is underlining it in red, I digress - My question regarding Jock Sturgis was as way of asking for an expansion
I thing I have always found odd is that Sally Mann and Jock Sturgis were castigated for producing what I find to be in general engaging portraits, although SM's pictures of nose bleeds etc I am not fond of, but that is part of the mix - The person who was never castigated to my knowledge was David Hamilton, who made deliberately sexual images of young Scandinavian girls
My prime criticism of Henson is his lack of engagement, to me the most crucial aspect of portraiture - I feel the lack of engagement goes hand in hand with his creepiness (a word use I accept in this thread) and the slickness of his presentation
Regarding the media noise over Henson's 2008 Oxley show I forgot to mention the radio campaign from Chris Smith of Radio 2GB in Sydney which started the furore, I was reminded of this by Ross Chambers - Living the the Southern Karri Forest Belt I am too far away to see the Henson show in Sydney, but if I was in NSW I would certainly visit it
I am sure fuddy duddy is right, but spell check is underlining it in red, I digress - My question regarding Jock Sturgis was as way of asking for an expansion
I thing I have always found odd is that Sally Mann and Jock Sturgis were castigated for producing what I find to be in general engaging portraits, although SM's pictures of nose bleeds etc I am not fond of, but that is part of the mix - The person who was never castigated to my knowledge was David Hamilton, who made deliberately sexual images of young Scandinavian girls
My prime criticism of Henson is his lack of engagement, to me the most crucial aspect of portraiture - I feel the lack of engagement goes hand in hand with his creepiness (a word use I accept in this thread) and the slickness of his presentation
Regarding the media noise over Henson's 2008 Oxley show I forgot to mention the radio campaign from Chris Smith of Radio 2GB in Sydney which started the furore, I was reminded of this by Ross Chambers - Living the the Southern Karri Forest Belt I am too far away to see the Henson show in Sydney, but if I was in NSW I would certainly visit it
Do any of you Aussies remember this?
http://www.theage.com.au/entertainm...-child-prostitution-claim-20110821-1j4td.html
Very, very tame read, non-event, compared to Henson's seminal works. There is a lot more about Bill Henson than what poster's here postulate. I suggest you know him personally and understand his methodology, direction, drive and dedication. As for the "models" in his exhibition, the first, they were photographed many years ago and are adults. Contrary to populist myth, the poses were consented by family. His darkly malevolent film noir interpretation of the beauty of youth might have caused a silly beat up with a prudish Premier of Victoria (thank God he's gone back to the farm at Ravenswood to mingle with sheep), a trigger happy Police commissioner and a blood-lusting media, but the spin-off is that the controversy was quite good for business. He continues to do well with a wide retinué of projects reflecting his personal oeuvre and especially, his life dedication to the arts. His CV, readily available on the web, speaks reams for his wide acceptance in galleries around the world: very few of us have that sort of take-up. Clearly, even in these supposedly enlightened modern times, the non-artistically grounded NIMBYs are more interested in kicking up a righteous spray than learning something intellectual. Society's shame, art's gain.
Either contribute to the discussion or please shut your pie-hole. Thank you. You, sir, are both wrong and insulting. Your personal attacks are not welcomed.
If you can provide proof of your position then please do so. To date, all you have done is voiced your generic distrust of historical analysis and expressed a very unrealistic belief that absolute proof is required before any conclusions can be made. Please present your absolute proof and stop casting accusations upon me that are clearly not true.
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Lol.
Me too. I'm LFAO, in fact. Laughing my way right to the ignore feature!
Troll.
But, yes, I do see what you would find humorous.
But, yes, I do see what you would find humorous.
Those who obsess about proper spelling are quite often of such small minds that they cannot deal with anything else of substance.
Nothing personal, I'm jest sayin'
Not to forget Julia Margaret Cameron's concept of focus, which Dodgson criticised.
And in the spirit of debate that has characterised this thread, please name your documented sources for this statement including medical reports, clinical trials and the qualifications and CV's of all of the authoritative medical and psychological experts you no doubt relied upon when making the above statement.
Yet despite that criticism she actually sold photographs for money, indicating some degree of success.
"alleged" criticism, I should have said.
"presumably" sold for money Io should have said.
"perceived" success I should have said.
Perhaps she did but the family didn't really need the money and I doubt that she was really interested in making any income from photography other than the novelty of it.
Her photographic career only lasted about eleven years whilst she lived here on the Isle of Wight. I think it reduced significantly when the family moved back to India (Ceylon) around 1875.
EDIT: All of this reminds me that Dimbola Lodge has free entry for the whole of February - so I will be going this weekend!
Steve.
Not needing money has never kept anyone from wanting to make a little more.
Whether she was interested or not is surely open to speculation. I'd speculate that for whatever reason she may have gotten into the selling aspect... the fact remains that for some period of her life she actively sought out and worked with a gallery to sell prints, and they sold.
I've often envied her because I suspect, like you do, that she engaged in photography purely for fun and had all of her other worldly needs sufficiently taken care of.
p.s. enjoy Dimbola Lodge. i'd join you if that were possible, but alas... I cannot.
OK, I obsess, but in this case the spelling obsession was to confirm the spelling of a proper name - That being done the "fuddy duddy" bit I took as a joke
Also, and crucial to my posts is that I always claim, and where I have not I apologise, that my views on the work of Henson are my personal opinion based on seeing his works, I have said very little on the 2008ish portraits apart from saying, I think, that I found them verging on the innocent, I can say no more on these pix as I have never seen real prints
If I state that opinions on photographer's images are my own and not claimed as absolute I feel that is OK, but will take other views into consideration
Perhaps I should have taken my page one advice on this thread, but I am glad to see this thread running as it is a damned sight more interesting than Leitz vs Nikon arguments - I pick on that one as I started it
John
Fascinating and educating thread. Somehow it had passed me by, but I had never really taken much notice of Lewis Carroll or the Alice stories, other than I am aware of them of course. I did not know he was a photographer. The other angles are interesting, but I believe we cannot moralise on victorian values from a 21st century perspective.
I had a very interesting conversation recently with a foreign agent for the equipment I sell. I won't name the place - it is irrelevant - but he told me it is (little known outside the country) but customary for the ruler to have the services of different young girls from different "tribes" on a monthly basis. If the young girl becomes pregnant it is looked on with great delight, as it brings royal blood to the tribe (and helps the gene-pool which is otherwise constrained within the tribe). If she fails to become pregnant she leaves with presents. Either way, being the "chosen one" is looked on with pride.
The point is morals are different from place to place and from time to time. Who are we to judge.
I had a very interesting conversation recently with a foreign agent for the equipment I sell. I won't name the place - it is irrelevant - but he told me it is (little known outside the country) but customary for the ruler to have the services of different young girls from different "tribes" on a monthly basis. If the young girl becomes pregnant it is looked on with great delight, as it brings royal blood to the tribe (and helps the gene-pool which is otherwise constrained within the tribe). If she fails to become pregnant she leaves with presents. Either way, being the "chosen one" is looked on with pride.
The point is morals are different from place to place and from time to time. Who are we to judge.
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