Let’s talk about SUPREMACY APO Cron 50mm

[Huss]

Yeah but as far as I know, an aperture ring has nothing to do with a decisive moment. Focus ring, maybe, but even then it doesn’t prevent a decisive moment.

Wait, so you'd pay $8000 for a lens and be happy with a decisive moment that is out of focus and incorrectly exposed? Huh.

"But I took it with this!" plays well down at the Leica Store Mayfair.

 

[faberryman]

Wait, so you'd pay $8000 for a lens and be happy with a decisive moment that is out of focus and incorrectly exposed? Huh.

This is usually where they trot out the HCB quote: Sharpness is a bourgeoise concept.

 

[NB23]

What do you mean by incorrectly exposed?
And I still don’t see what an aperture ring has to do with a decisive moment.

Wait, so you'd pay $8000 for a lens and be happy with a decisive moment that is out of focus and incorrectly exposed? Huh.

"But I took it with this!" plays well down at the Leica Store Mayfair.

 

[E. von Hoegh]

'Tis a poor workman who blames his tools...

 

[NB23]

Exactorino

'Tis a poor workman who blames his tools...

 

[ic-racer]

What a useless thread. I'm sorry I opened it. I don't even know what the thread is about. I searched for the Leica "Supremacy" lens and found only links to this thread. What is it?

 

[NB23]

Hey I don’t know, that’s why I started this thread

What a useless thread. I'm sorry I opened it. I don't even know what the thread is about. I searched for the Leica "Supremacy" lens and found only links to this thread. What is it?

 

[E. von Hoegh]

What a useless thread. I'm sorry I opened it. I don't even know what the thread is about. I searched for the Leica "Supremacy" lens and found only links to this thread. What is it?

It's LEICA. Built in sunshine!!

 

[removed account4]

didn't tiche use a apo cron later in his career ??
or was that a apo plexi ?
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Put it on a tripod and make really large prints with impeccable darkroom skill.

the darkroom skill would have to be impeccable because really large prints can't really be bigger than an 8x10 with even the
most beautiful apo taking and enlarging lens... all turns to mush

 

[E. von Hoegh]

didn't tiche use a apo cron later in his career ??
or was that a apo plexi ?
==

the darkroom skill would have to be impeccable because really large prints can't really be bigger than an 8x10 with even the
most beautiful apo taking and enlarging lens... all turns to mush

Apo Plexicronilux, iirc. A very rare one-off

 

[removed account4]

i know it was something like that must be worth a fortune at this point

 

[alimurat]

Braided with thorsten’s scrotum hair

hahaha! jesus, that’s really funny.

 

[kmg1974]

you do need a good enlarger lens to make anything beyond 8x10, apo rodagon, apo componon, many times the rodagon or componon-s will be fine.
Or you could splurge for a Focomat V35 with the Leica Focotar 45...

 

[darkosaric]

Or you could splurge for a Focomat V35 with the Leica Focotar 45...

Yep, V35 is one great enlarger. Some time ago I did a test against Magnifax with 50mm/2.8 El Nikkor:

Focomat detail:
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El Nikkor detail:
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[M. Axel Wikstrom]

My 50mm Elmar is better than the film I use and I certainly like it for what it is; but in the end it's still a miniature format. If you want sharper images with more tonality go with medium format.

 

[chip j]

I find that MF doesn't have the "life" that 35mm has. But I use the ultimate 35mm enlargers & enlarging lenses.

 

[M. Axel Wikstrom]

I find that MF doesn't have the "life" that 35mm has. But I use the ultimate 35mm enlargers & enlarging lenses.

I'm not saying that 35mm is inferior - I use it often. It's simply another tool. Every format and system has its advantages and disadvantages. Choose the right tool for the job - an M-camera is great for street photography and keeping it light, fast and silent, an SLR for sports, wildlife or macro, and for landscapes requiring movements use a large or medium format field camera. For still life a large format rail camera is the way to go, and for portraits a Medium format SLR.

The right tools combined with skill can result in great photographs. The finest and most expensive M-camera jewelry won't make you into a better photographer.

 

[Lachlan Young]

I find that MF doesn't have the "life" that 35mm has. But I use the ultimate 35mm enlargers & enlarging lenses.

No, it has more to do with the printmaker's ability (aesthetics of specific formats aside) than format or enlarger light source or lens.

Yep, V35 is one great enlarger. Some time ago I did a test against Magnifax with 50mm/2.8 El Nikkor:

Not a good test of anything other than the relative rigidity of the enlargers. The 40mm Leitz doesn't have an especially spectacular reputation.

 

[mshchem]

If Leica can get the uber wealthy to buy this stuff to stay in business more power to them. I buy almost everything used so, I doubt I will live long enough for this to get into my price range .
Matt Damon should give these out for Christmas presents. Jeff Bezos could buy all of Leitz's annual production with a good 2 or 3 days income .

Maybe Bezochrome K-14 is doable

 

[mshchem]

I find that MF doesn't have the "life" that 35mm has. But I use the ultimate 35mm enlargers & enlarging lenses.

I've got to know what is/are the ultimate in 35mm enlargers and lenses ? I have used a 4x5 Beseler forever, I used El Nikkor 50 and 63mm. I recently picked up a Apo-Rodagon never used it.

There's not much quieter than a Leica. I love medium format, kinda obtrusive though.

 

[btaylor]

I think chip j’s ultimate is a Leitz enlarger and an APO lens of some sort. You can look it up in some of his previous posts. Hi
I like my Beseler and El Nikkor 50mm too, seems to work, though chip j may find it lacks “life.”
Personally I have found the most unobtrusive and quiet camera is my medium format Rolleicord. More quiet than a Leica, with the bonus of a much bigger negative.

 

[chip j]

Leitz 1c, Durst M35 Micromat w/spotlight bulb for enlargers. Leitz 50mm Focotar 2, Leitz 50mm Schneider Focotar, Computar 55mm 1.9 DL, Angeneiux 48mm G, Komuranon S 50mm 3.5 for lenses. I also got a 1st version APO-Rodagon that I haven't tried yet (I know the "N" version is the one to have, but it's beyond my means at the moment).

 

[alentine]

Come on, let’s talk about the Summicron’s 50mm APO Supremacy.
*Even if you’re jealous and in denial, you can participate.

Yes, it's Supremacy. And, yes, it deserves.
I think Leica does not make lenses only for customers, but also for Manufacturing Standards and for History.
LEICA APO-SUMMICRON-M 50mm f/2 ASPH
LEICA SUMMICRON-M 28mm f/2 ASPH.
Not to forget:
Leica R APO Telyt-R 180mm f/3.4
My post in another thread:

Never have seen performance like that so far.
Indeed investment, in some sort.
Crazy at f/5.6
At f/2 and f/2.8, tunnel background blur. Majestic portrait lens.
At f/5.6, unprecedented sharpness all the way to the last mm. Magnificent landscape lens.
View attachment 206515

 

[NB23]

hahaha! jesus, that’s really funny.

Hehe!
Sometimes I’m a genius, I admit that.

 

[M. Axel Wikstrom]

No, it has more to do with the printmaker's ability (aesthetics of specific formats aside) than format or enlarger light source or lens.

This is a true statement. Good lenses and rigidity play an important role, but the skill of the person making the prints makes all the difference.