jimcollum
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tim said:now THAT'S some of the buggering good stuff being done out there
agreed! John's one of the better landscape photograper's out there today
jim
tim said:now THAT'S some of the buggering good stuff being done out there
jimcollum said:agreed! John's one of the better landscape photograper's out there today
jim
tim said:As a photograph this image may succeed (debatable), but as a landscape photograph it doesn't - boring.
and
As to the photo that your quote regards, way too busy and not impressed in the least. Not successful and fails as a Landscape.
now why am I not surprised...!
roteague said:Oh yeah, right up there with Dykinga, Muench, Cornish... :sarcasm:
naturephoto1 said:Tim,
You may wish to look at Eliot Porter's book Chaos.
Rich
tim said:who?
tim said:who?
It is not ignorance, it is just that they are not mentioned by the artiste critics Tim admires, and of course their prints are not huge ink jet prints of crappy shots....liky Gursky'snaturephoto1 said:Tim,
If the names Dykinga and Muench (3 or 4 generations depending upon how you look at it) are unfamiliar names in Landscape Photography you are showing your ignorance.
Rich
naturephoto1 said:Tim,
If the names Dykinga and Muench (3 or 4 generations depending upon how you look at it) are unfamiliar names in Landscape Photography you are showing your ignorance.
Rich
Stuart Rome's Forest (which I paid good US money for just recently, so I'm not just waving around web pages) is imo closer, but what's happening in JB's pix is something verrrry different from the easily-ordered look of an Ansel or a Weston or even Strand landscape. Or more to the current point, to an Alan Ross.naturephoto1 said:You may wish to look at Eliot Porter's book Chaos.
Jorge said:It is not ignorance, it is just that they are not mentioned by the artiste critics Tim admires, and of course their prints are not huge ink jet prints of crappy shots....liky Gursky's
bjorke said:Stuart Rome's Forest (which I paid good US money for just recently, so I'm not just waving around web pages) is imo closer, but what's happening in JB's pix is something verrrry different from the easily-ordered look of an Ansel or a Weston or even Strand landscape. Or more to the current point, to an Alan Ross.
The comments that these pictures "fail" at beng something they don't attempt to copy is... well, something of an accidental compliment.
naturephoto1 said:I believe the image needs to be distilled down a bit because it is so "busy".
Rich
tim said:and nature isn't? Sounds more like you are discussing graphic design - the viwer needs to "get it" in the first few seconds or it's failed?
naturephoto1 said:Tim,
No that is where the photographer has to put in some effort to extract a subject and composition from the Chaos of Nature.
Rich
tim said:ahh - so the subject isn't the chaos of nature itself then - I see
naturephoto1 said:Tim,
Sometimes it is sometimes it isn't. Many times it is making order out of the Chaos of Nature.
Rich
bjorke said:(Which despite robert's oddly misplaced attempt at character assasination by association, is also the worst sin of flickr -- its reduction of everything to trivial forms that are easy to read from a web pic at 75x75)
tim said:And if there isn't really any order? (which is kind of what chaos is...) - presumably you'd have a hard time photographing it?
naturephoto1 said:Tim,
No that is where the photographer has to put in some effort to extract a subject and composition from the Chaos of Nature.
Rich
jimcollum said:but i can see both subject and compostion in the image that was posted (as well as many of his others).
the same thing that draws me to subjects, light and composition that say something to me, draws me to photographers with similar aesthetics. i've heard of dykinga, muench, cornish, etc.. but their work doesn't speak to me as much as misrach, izu, horne, caponigro or kenna. i don't own a print by any of the former.. but i have a print by brownlow framed and hanging on my wall... i do have a choice of who's work i'd have hanging.. and john's work won out over dykinga, muench or cornish.
jim
jim
naturephoto1 said:Jim,
But for me, and I stress me, I find the image busy.
Rich
tim said:so do you look the other way when you see something like that? are your eyes/brain unable to deal with it when you see it?
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