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Here is my predicament. I recently purchased a very nice M4-P to try versus my R3M. I have the Nokton 40mm 1.4 and I'm now looking to purchase another lense. Been thinking about the following: Nkoton 35mm 1.4, the zeiss 28mm 2.8 or the Nokton 50 1.1. All are in my budget. But given that the 40 shoots close ot the 35mm frame lines, is it really worth picking up the 35? Not sure about the 28mm as it might be a bit too wide, and to be honedt I'm ambivalent towards the 50 mm focal length as a whole....the Nokton being a great lense nonetheless.

Looking for recommendations from others who have used them.

Thanks
Mike
 

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For the very reason you mention I am not a big fan of the 35 just to close a 40 and for my task a 50, for a wide a 28 has always been mine prime wide lens. A 24 is just a little too wide. If you have the 40mm I would think about a short tele, 90mm?
 
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Paul, rarely use the 85 on my F-1N, so I don't see that as a good investment for me. If I go with the Zeiss ZM 28, I'm restricted to just the M4-p, If I go 50 then it's good on both cameras. I'm leaning more towards dumping the 35 idea completely. Other thing is the 50 1.1 seems to be hit and miss on reviews, the 50 1.5 seems better. But here locally on the used market the 1.1 is about $75 more.....
 

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I have purchased M4-P to be able to use 28mm lens without external VF. 28mm is specific lens to me to work candids very close. I'm not using it often. 35mm framelines are very good on it and 50mm are usable.

Can't give any recommendations without any specifics mentioned in OP. But if you like CV lenses it is great. I haven't tried enough of them. Switched to Leica made.

Honestly, using lens which doesn't match frame-lines is nonsense to me, personally. 35mm is my most used lens, followed by 50mm. I have tried many Leitz made 50mm.
 
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Darkosaric, for me it isn't about how often I will use but rather just having the ability to use it when needed.

Ko.Fe. Agreed, I'm thinking about taking the file to my 40mm. It was bought originally for the R3m, but now is on the Leica until I can find a good lense for it.
 

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I have the 40mm, the 35, the 28, some 50s... As you already have the 40, get the 28 over the 35 as the 35 is too close to the 40. I would not bother with the 50 1.1 as I have not seen a photo from it posted anywhere that would make me want one. And that is really rare for me! Also it seems really hit or miss if you get a good one.
I personally would not file the mount on the 40. I have found that the FOV is almost exactly between the 50 and 35mm frame lines, so I just account for that.
 

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I prefer the 28mm and 50mm lenses for 35mm cameras. I found the 35mm and 40mm lenses too close to the 50mm lenses for my tastes.
 
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I agree on the 35 and 40mm. The 50 I feel is far enough away for em. the 28mm is intriguing, but it would be glued to the m4-p, whereas the 50 can do double duty.
 

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Over several decades I accumulated a Leica system with 21, 35, 50, 90, and 135 lenses. Perhaps half of my photos were taken with the 50 with the 90 being second and the 35 third. The 135 was used little, and the 21 even less. However, other individuals shooting in different conditions will likely have much different preferences. One should first consider this when deciding on focal lengths.
 

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Here is my predicament. I recently purchased a very nice M4-P to try versus my R3M. I have the Nokton 40mm 1.4 and I'm now looking to purchase another lense. Been thinking about the following: Nkoton 35mm 1.4, the zeiss 28mm 2.8 or the Nokton 50 1.1. All are in my budget. But given that the 40 shoots close ot the 35mm frame lines, is it really worth picking up the 35? Not sure about the 28mm as it might be a bit too wide, and to be honedt I'm ambivalent towards the 50 mm focal length as a whole....the Nokton being a great lense nonetheless.

The 40mm is too close to the 35, and having a 40mm+50mm won't give you too much of a variation.

I'd suggest you to go for the 28mm lens or wider lens.

As for the Nokton 50/1.1, i'm not sure why you would want a f1.1 lens; a f1.4 lens almost invariably will have better image quality; and a f2.0 (or f1.8) lens will additionally be far lighter and easier to handle. I own (for SLR) a 50/1.2 and some 50/1.4 lenses and at the end i prefer to use the 50/2 and 50/1.8 lenses for this reason.

In any case if you do need a lens for low light the 35/1.4 is going to be a better choice, or a 28/2.0. The less the focal lenght, the less movement-induced blur at low speeds.

If you were aiming for the 50/1.1 just to get narrow DOF effects, better go for a 85, 100, or 135 lens, which even with f2.8 or f3.5 aperture will give you even stronger narrow DOF visuals.
 

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Over several decades I accumulated a Leica system with 21, 35, 50, 90, and 135 lenses. Perhaps half of my photos were taken with the 50 with the 90 being second and the 35 third. The 135 was used little, and the 21 even less. However, other individuals shooting in different conditions will likely have much different preferences. One should first consider this when deciding on focal lengths.

This is excellent advice.

On my whole camera gear what i have is 19 20 24 28 35 45 50 55 58 85 100 135 200 300.
At the end when i take a look at the prints i like (the "keepers"), the overwhelming majority was made with a 50 (or 55) or with the 135. Then some few (3 or 4) with the 200, which is what I use instead of the 135 if i can. In the past i used the 24 a lot for full-body portraits of musicians at close length.

I still have made no keepers with the other focal lengths, save for one pic with the 20mm that I liked!

Edit: expanding on my list, i'd say this is how i feel regarding the lenses:

19-20mm: Really deep wide angle, adds dramaticism. Good for getting close to a subject with a huge background, for example a lady next to a mountain.
24mm: deep wide angle, usually with better optical performance than a 20mm lens.
28mm: general purpose wideangle, can be used everywhere, particularly if yours is a low-distortion one
35mm: general purpose lens which gives images with a wide-angle effect. Not pronounced, but it is there.
50mm: general purpose all around lens
55mm: general purpose all around lens, slightly better in portraits
58mm: general purpose lens particularly good for portraits
85mm: portrait lens, almost general-purpose as well
100mm: portrait lens that is particurarly compact and small. Narrower DOF effects than the 85.
135mm: Much more pronounced telephoto effect than the 100 or 85. Very good for portraits and at the same time good for distant subjects. A compact substitute of the 200mm.
200mm: Excellent for full body portraits, models, distant subjects.
300mm: Never used
 
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For the very reason you mention I am not a big fan of the 35 just to close a 40 and for my task a 50, for a wide a 28 has always been mine prime wide lens. A 24 is just a little too wide. If you have the 40mm I would think about a short tele, 90mm?
I agree.
 
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I'm not surprised with the consensus on the 28mm, the 50 1.1 seems to be a lense that is either lover or reviled. My thought is that it could do double duty on both the R3M and the M4-P, but the 28mm seems to be a FL that most people prefer. Personally I prefer wider over tighter, and thus my ambivalence towards the 50mm.
 

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I think the Leica 28 Elmarit V4 is spectacular...it is a touch larger than the Asph. version and does block the viewfinder
a bit, but its great. I also had a 40 Nokton which I altered to bring up the 35 frame lines, but I replaced it with the
35 Sumarit. (ya, I know they're close...I use two M4-P's side by side, one color, one BW).
 

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Looking for recommendations from others who have used them.

When I use my 40mm, I rarely carry any other lens. However, when I think I will need something a little longer, I will also carry an 85mm. When I think I will need something a little wider, I will also carry a 24mm.

If I think the 24 is too wide, I substitute a 28mm Zeiss. If I think the 85 is too short, I substitute a 135mm Zeiss.
 

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Here is my predicament. I recently purchased a very nice M4-P to try versus my R3M. I have the Nokton 40mm 1.4 and I'm now looking to purchase another lense. Been thinking about the following: Nkoton 35mm 1.4, the zeiss 28mm 2.8 or the Nokton 50 1.1. All are in my budget. But given that the 40 shoots close ot the 35mm frame lines, is it really worth picking up the 35? Not sure about the 28mm as it might be a bit too wide, and to be honedt I'm ambivalent towards the 50 mm focal length as a whole....the Nokton being a great lense nonetheless.

Looking for recommendations from others who have used them.

Thanks
Mike
Sorry, I can't help either;I'm of the 'one conniver have too many lenses frater city!
 
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