Lee Resin vs. Quality Glass Filters?

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Yep. There's nothing quite so authoritative as web "evidence" that could just as easily have been taken with a cellphone for all anyone knows, along with the usual silly web chatter. What I can't figure out is how that kind of nonsense lands on anything even remotely resembling a large format thread. Please post it in the Holga section next time, where it belongs.
 
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Very muddled as usual and as expected quite incorrect :D

The reality is you need to join the real world . . .

Ian

Ian, If you can't be civil, then please stay away from my threads. It's not a problem to disagree; but, it should be done in a respectful manner.
 
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You make your choices Drew, the rest of us make our own based on experience and for the vast majority that is that resin/acrylic filter are useful and of high quality. Greg's tests are valid regardless of what you say.

Ian

No, Greg's "tests" are not valid, but yet another attempt at somebody to justify cheapness based on false pseudo-scientific test evidence -- from an optician? Seriously? Where is his test regime and the results peer reviewed? Have others reviewed his tests for errors and thoroughness? If so, balanced and informed evidence please. Do you see cheap Chinese resin filters instaleld on Zeiss laboratory (e.g pathology) microscopes? Or Olympus? Extremely unlikely. But you might often find B+W or Hoya filters (specific to medical applications) installed.
 

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No, Greg's "tests" are not valid, but yet another attempt at somebody to justify cheapness based on false pseudo-scientific test evidence -- from an optician? Seriously? Where is his test regime and the results peer reviewed? Have others reviewed his tests for errors and thoroughness? If so, balanced and informed evidence please. Do you see cheap Chinese resin filters instaleld on Zeiss laboratory (e.g pathology) microscopes? Or Olympus? Extremely unlikely. But you might often find B+W or Hoya filters (specific to medical applications) installed.

No one is denying that good glass filters are the best, but comparing filters in laboratory equipment to those used on cameras and particularly LF cameras is like comparing chalk to cheese.

Greg's test was a personal test he did to see things for himself, it's his opinions that are valid regardless. When it comes to Resin/Acrylic filters it needs to be remembered that some high end lenses have used elements made of optical acrylics and they can be coated.

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Reminds me of those MBA types who can prove ANYTHING with a Powerpoint presentation. Garbage-in/garbage-out data. One of the first outfits to
offer acrylic filters was actually Sinar. They had a very good reason. Their concern was big lenses in studio settings. Oversized glass filters are hard
to get and very expensive. But that's also the kind of situation where you can keep things relatively clean and well shaded if need be. Otherwise, I'm not aware of anyone using acrylic to make large format lenses. I know of only one MF lens where that's the case, and it's for a single element inside the lens. The differential of expansion and contraction relative to glass imposes a serious limitation to the size of plastic elements. Acrylic hydrates. And of course, they scratch damn easily, so would be worthless as a front element. The same applies to acrylic filters. I'm not saying not to buy them, especially if you stumble onto a clean used set at a bargain. They stack tightly and fit those slip-in systems which many outdoor types useful. Shaded grads seem popular these day. I've just never seen a shot taken with one of these grads that didn't look fake to me. But as someone who has been seriously out in the elements with LF gear for thousands of miles of backpacking over several decades, I know what can go wrong, and why too much gear is actually a liability. Fragile filters would be an outright waste of time for me, regardless of whether they get creased like gels or risk scuffing and scratching like acrylics. But sorry, Greg. You are hardly the only one to try all three types. In fact, there are more than three types. Been there, done that; learned the difference long ago.
 

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On the subject of durability the resin CR-39 filters I own are all scratch free and optically clean the smaller ones around 40 years old and the larger ones about 30 years old. I only use them for landscape work and they've traveled many miles in my backpack while out shooting, the cases are quite worn.

I have bought 2 cheap Chinese (red) resin filters, the first was very poor in terms of colour density , the second though is surprisingly good for less than £2 ($2.80) inc postage from China. It would probably work fine on a camera however I bought it for a vintage enlarger I've restored where the red glass filter had been lost or broken and replaced by acetate gels.

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If you are working with a scene where you estimate that the image will be enhanced by using a filter, and you use whatever appropriate filter you have, being mindful of whatever limitations it might have; no one looking at the print will say "OMG, I can't believe the photographer didn't shoot this with the Hydrodynamic B&T Leprechaun made filter, it would have been sooo much better".

Yes, you want the filter to introduce the least possible optical disruption. Yes, the image will likely be a little more flare prone with the filter than without, and yes, there are some differences between various brands and types. But few manufacturers don't care whether or not you get a good result by using their product. The ones that don't care will have enough negative reputation these days that either the company or the product line won't be around for long.

Of what's been mentioned, plenty of great images have been created using any and all of them.
 

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How much do you spend on large format film? What do you spend on travel expenses? What kind of investment do you have in your lenses? How much work from start to finish? And you compromise all that because of you're not willing to buy a decent filter and choose cheap acetate? Of course, if your aspiration is merely to post pictures on the web, why not? It's the lowest common denominator of visual communication.
 
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