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Kawaiithulhu

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I'm handy with a soldering iron and I want to build two items for fun, an 8x10 lightbox for previewing and later a light source for a home-brew enlarger. I would like these to be bright but dimmable, and of good CRI.

I'm bewildered by the range of LEDs available :blink: and could use some help narrowing down the field! Any suggestions?

PS: I'm not a diy purist, if there is a reasonable commercial panel that meets the dimmable/CRI requirement I'll happily integrate it into my work.
 

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I can't say for enlargers, but they are great for light boxes. The biggest problem you will have is sourcing LEDs that are all the same brightness. Best way I have found is to buy a bulk bag of them from china and just work through selecting ones with a similar light output. Very wasteful but the yields are still all over the place. If you buy them from a large supplier, they are more likely to be a similar output level.

To distribute the light evenly, you'll need multiple layers of ground glass / sanded acrylic / diffusor film. buying wide angle LEDs will reduce the number needed, but these are usually orders of magnitude dimmer.

Dimming will be a problem, you can't just reduce the voltage with a variable resustor like you can with incandescent, you'll need to use Pulse Wave Modulation. This is easily done with an NE555 and a power transistor, if you've dabbled in electronic then you can build the circuit easy enough.

CRI can be hit and miss, most white LEDs are actually blue or UV leds that have a phosphor coated onto them that flouresces white or near white. The only way is to look through the datasheet for whichever LED you're planning to use. These are usually given in nm.

Hope this is of use to you. Mike
 

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There's a lot of guys experimenting with LEDs and DIY for video lights out there. Might poke around DVXuser.com, reduser, and search up the 5d forum (planet5D or similar?).
 

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The big question is, "do you want to shoot colour?" If so, CRI is very important or you will end up with muddy pictures. You need a CRI of over 90 for acceptable results. For B&W, CRI doesn't matter and you can use pretty much any cheap LED, though really bad colour quality might result in some filter effects the odd subtle artifact.

For a simple build process, you're best off buying complete mains-powered LED or CFL bulbs that are labelled as "dimmable" and then controlling them with a light-dimmer knob. That won't be real cheap, but it is very achievable and it means you can simply replace your lamp modules with different ones at any time, as long as they're dimmable.

If you want to build more from scratch, it gets harder. For a decent bright light, you need a few hundred watts of electrical power (look on eBay for "COB LED 50W", they're about 10c/W from China but don't forget to budget for and design-in heatsinks or your LEDs will last only a fraction of a second), which is difficult to dim efficiently. You have a couple of options:
a) control the maximum current using a resistor, dim with pulse width modulation (PWM),
b) control the current with a buck-mode switching controller, or
c) control the current with a boost-mode switching controller.

Option (a) is the simplest, you just need a high-ish voltage power supply (probably 36V, most high power chip-on-board LEDs are about 32V), a HUGE resistor and a FET and 555 (or microcontroller, e.g. Arduino) to set the PWM duty cycle. The drawback here is that for 100W of LED (32V, 3A), your current-limit resistor needs to dissipate about 15W, so it's inefficient and that resistor is big, hot and expensive. 36V power supplies are also annoyingly expensive because they're not real common.

Option (b) is much more efficient. You can use a higher voltage (e.g. 48V) power supply that will be cheaper than a 36V, a low-loss inductor, couple of FETs, a bunch of other supporting components and a microcontroller. You need to write somewhat-complicated software and be passingly familiar with control theory.

Option (c): don't go there. Not if you're asking this question. It's cheap because you can use a 12V power supply, but controlling current in a boost converter is an inherently unstable process and you need to be a control-theory wizard.

You can also buy cheap off-the-shelf LED power supplies that will produce a fixed regulated output current, e.g. 1A, 2A, 3A, etc. They're NOT dimmable, but you could do simple dimming by turning banks of lights on/off. Say you put 16 banks of LEDs in, you could turn on 1, 2, 4, 8, or 16 banks to get 4 stops of light control in 1-stop increments. The cost of 8 or 16 controllers would start to add up, though you'd have a simple control scheme (row of switches) with no need to do any tricky electronics or software, you just hook up LEDs to power supplies. You still need to do the heatsinking.
 
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Why a "dimmable" lightbox? I have never heard of such a thing.
Buying a commercially-made LED lightbox will save much angst, sweat, tears and potential disasters. I've seen inside my 20-year old colour-corrected lightbox and it is bristling with electronics in there — not just about a couple of powerful LEDs, a transformer and somewhere to plug it in. How much do you know about electronics and electrical engineering? It would be a very, very involved project to start from scratch.
 

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PDJ: Dimmable for the same reason that one has power controls on a flash, presumably. For achieving particular lighting ratios without changing the nature of the light by changing distances.

Simplest option (and probably therefore best for a non-engineer DIY lightbox) I think would be a bunch of non-dimmable CFL bulbs with good colour quality (readily available), in several groups. One switch per group. See eBay #171330379925 for example bulbs (note wrong voltage for you though). You could buy 8 bulbs, their sockets & 4 switches for under $150, add in 4 switches, and you'd have nearly 1kW of CFL (about 60,000 lumens) with 3 stops of intensity control. Once you take out various inefficiencies from diffusers etc, you can probably produce about 0.5m^2 of daylight from that rig. It's less power (for exposures short enough to make a portrait) than even a battery-powered flash, but easier to see the effects of the light and arrange your model.

You're not going to shoot anything other than still life if you want to use it for LF. It'd be plenty for 35mm though, especially up close.

Edit: Dead Link Removed in terms of what is achievable.
 
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