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Russ Young

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wood and metal cameras

Richard, some of these thoughts have already been articulated and I'm simply reinforcing; a couple might be new to the thread.
(1) I've used wooden cameras such as Koronas for years. They are sloppy from age- shrinkage and wear. It takes a great deal of work to make them like new. The problem is exacerbated in the climate where I live which averages about 20% RH but can dip to under 5%. When I took my treasured 5x7 Canham (which replaced all of the old cameras) to Scotland, after several months, I had to pry the back off to change to 4x5 as it had swollen so much in 90% RH. He has brilliantly solved the "sloppy" part of wooden cameras by making the crucial elements metal but there are still problems with wooden cameras.
(2) Ansel Adams used a "Kodak All-Metal Commercial Camera" in 8x10. He writes about in a number of his letters and illustrates it several times. The best illustration is on page 63, Figure 30, in Camera and Lens 1976 revised edition. Tillman Crane mostly uses a Canham today, with the metal movement parts. Weston was a very imprecise photographer (I can quote from Ansel's letters if you'd like) and made only contact prints; hardly a test of camera quality.
(3) The Chinese are already in the market and other third world countries would be smart to enter it. You cannot compete with their prices but can probably exceed their quality. Nonetheless, the future may lie in modern materials such as carbon fiber rather than wood.
(4) As already noted, the problem is in the holders and other accessories. Independent thinking (and perhaps examining some 19th century solutions and bringing them up to date with newer materials) that results in new and unique products will likely be well received. I firmly believe the world ahs enough ULF cameras already.
(5) as an earlier responder noted, something like a 2x5 or 2x7 roll film back on a camera with full view camera adjustments might make a dent in the market but it had better be as good as my Horseman panoramic!
OK, bring on the flame throwers!
Russ
 

smieglitz

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Russ Young said:
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(5) as an earlier responder noted, something like a 2x5 or 2x7 roll film back on a camera with full view camera adjustments might make a dent in the market but it had better be as good as my Horseman panoramic!
OK, bring on the flame throwers!
Russ

Well that is getting really tangential to the original question.

The original post is about 8x10 and ULF cameras which are generally used for images that will be contact printed. It is not about roll film and enlarging. Two different beasts and orientations IMHO. That orientation is not about taking a small negative and making a big print. It is about using the big camera and obtaining a large negative for a contact print. It is so much more physical. Your entire body is involved in the taking and processing, not just your wrist, thumb and index finger. I don't think people into ULF would ever be interested in small roll holders or else they would be few and far between and certainly not enough in number to support the develoment of a new camera system. What you suggest would never "make a dent in the market" as you suggest. My two cents worth.

Like it or not, the writing is on the wall for high-end roll film cameras. That market has shifted to digital, at least for the short term. And that is an impediment to R&D. However, LF and ULF are moving in the opposite direction.

Besides, if I wanted a 2x7 I'd just cut a hole in the darkslide of a LF/ULF holder.

Joe
 

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Talk, talk, talk. Richard if you want to make cameras go ahead and make cameras. If you want to make film holders go ahead and make film holders. Some of the best photographs in the world were made on old cameras with old lenses and old film holders. What people want is a NASA camera that will work anywhere in any environment. Few things do. If you try to make camera that works in a steam room and a meat locker well good luck. But if you make one that works in temperatures that a human can stand then why not.

I have two 11x14 film holders and when showing them to my wife I ask her if she thought they were worth $500 a piece. She said, "You've got to be kidding". But I can expose four sheets of film at a time.

Why would I go to the lengths to get to a location and have to use a "tent" to change film? Especially after spending a huge amount on equipment. Six holders would be fair number to have on hand.

Of course my two wooden holders were CNC'd, miked and spec'd to hold absolutely perfectly straight and the film lays perfectly flat do to it's unique design of some 80 years ago in a factory that ran on mill water and assembled by mechanical geniuses.
 

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Quality will always outsell price...
 
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