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lack of high speed 35mm b&w films


Ahh I see the point you're making, thank you for the clarification. I don't usually crop my 6x6 shots and tend to make prints on 11x14 paper for both 35mm and 120, which is why I'm more interested in talking about 35mm. Grain size at the magnification necessary to enlarge a 6x6 negative isn't an issue, whereas it becomes a factor, again just in my experience, for 35mm.
 
Slixtiesix said:
Stone, this is 6x6?
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you should also be asking if they are film scans or scans from prints
the way an image is made and viewed makes a difference ...
and if memory serves correct much of what he posts / has posted are film scans.
 
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I guess the grain is more prominent in scans, so would be even more subtle in a print?
 
Slixtiesix said:
I guess the grain is more prominent in scans, so would be even more subtle in a print?
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seems the other way around ...
scans can have a tighter quality to them ...
i took a painting class once where we had a mug shot
and we enlarged it on a xerox machine by 123% or something 15 times.
by the end it looked like a topographical map ( like grain)
chemical enlarged prints are the same thing you are stretching
the image when you enlarge it, with a scanner, it seems to duplicate
and interpolate the original image, so if the original image was a 3x5 light jet print or
enlarger print or a film scan, that is what it is replicating and interpolating.
maybe i am wrong in how i am describing it, or wrong altogether, but they seem like different things to me... ( YMMV )
 
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HiJohn
Scanning is not like wet printing where you have a contact, condenser or diffusion enlarger, there can be even more variations?
Like you have the wrong dust removal mechanism selected?
And grain is subjective to a degree.
I've had people like a shot of mine for the grain...(!)
 
I've used a lot of Delta 3200. I shoot at 1600, develop at suggested time for 3200. Rodinal will give you popcorn grain. Use DDX developer - they are meant to work together.

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sly said:
I've used a lot of Delta 3200. I shoot at 1600, develop at suggested time for 3200. Rodinal will give you popcorn grain. Use DDX developer - they are meant to work together.

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I have no permission to view the page. Would you please upload some of the photos in this thread?

Thanks!
 

I agree with you both on this. Scanners are fickle and it can be tough to defeat all of the automatic features.

One thing that is a real difference is that a scanner is a fundamentally linear device, that records tones from the negatives in linear fashion, while a silver gelatin paper has a curve just like the film does.
That will make a difference in how tones are represented, and how grain is displayed as a result of that difference.
I just thought I'd add that to the discussion, to try to illustrate a factual enormous difference between the two types of output.
 
Slixtiesix said:
I guess the grain is more prominent in scans, so would be even more subtle in a print?
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I should clarify, these were sc***d on my Epsom V750 at 2400 DPI and sent off to be printed by a Lambda/LightJet for a B&W C-Print.

The image you are seeing is the film sc*n not a scan of the print. Although I do make B&W printed on silver gelatin, when this project / show was done, I was only doing C-Prints.

This image didn't sell by the way, should anyone want to purchase it
 

We are! OK we do not moove foreward as fast as we wish but we are mooving. Today R&D is to a lesser extend oriented towards introducing new products but rather necessary R&D to replace lost components and keep everything working. Still this is R&D and sometimes this is even harder than introducing a new product was back 25 years ago when you could rely onto a full spectrum of components.

Mirko
 
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