See, this is the pseudo sealioning I’ve alluded to in the other hot thread on this site.
No! The Epsons are terrible scanners, and you with huge certainty know the reasons I’d list.
The Plusteks are only slightly better.
It’s like having an otherwise excellent hifi, and then hooking up a pair of random plastic boombox speakers.
Sure, you can hear what’s going on, and it’s “useable”, but that’s not really why most people buy hifi equipment.
So if film sales are up as you say, then they are so insubstantial as to not even be visible in a financial report.
Further, hitting "control F" and searching each document for the world film shows ZERO hits for any reference to positive film sales in the 2019 report. Nothing.
How can it be RFF when we have so many SLR and TLR users? Next you will be complaining about the cost of film.
Sorry to keep contradicting you, but the facts do not support your statement. The following figures concern only Kodak's film division. I can't see where the 2014 numbers are but I"m sure they do not contradict the trend below.
2015 revenue: 265 million, with a profit of 52 million dollars.
2016 revenue: 216 million, with a profit of 16 million dollars.
2018 revenue: 210 million, with a loss of 22 million dollars.
2019 revenue: 209 million, with a loss of 9 million dollars.
If sales have increased, WHY has revenue shown a significant drop? These facts certainly do not support a "doubling" of film sales in the past 5 years.
Even if you disagree with me you surely must see how logical it is to interpret such facts to this conclusion.
Trying my hardest to see your point, the only logical conclusion I can reach is that Kodak film sales are so low as to be invisible in the above numbers. If sales went from 7 million, to 14 million, that would probably be hard to spot in the above numbers. That's the best I can do.
Sorry to keep contradicting you, but the facts do not support your statement. The following figures concern only Kodak's film division. I can't see where the 2014 numbers are but I"m sure they do not contradict the trend below.
2015 revenue: 265 million, with a profit of 52 million dollars.
2016 revenue: 216 million, with a profit of 16 million dollars.
2018 revenue: 210 million, with a loss of 22 million dollars.
2019 revenue: 209 million, with a loss of 9 million dollars.
If sales have increased, WHY has revenue shown a significant drop? These facts certainly do not support a "doubling" of film sales in the past 5 years.
Even if you disagree with me you surely must see how logical it is to interpret such facts to this conclusion.
Trying my hardest to see your point, the only logical conclusion I can reach is that Kodak film sales are so low as to be invisible in the above numbers. If sales went from 7 million, to 14 million, that would probably be hard to spot in the above numbers. That's the best I can do.
Sorry to keep contradicting you, but the facts do not support your statement.
If sales have increased, WHY has revenue shown a significant drop?
+1I sense a reborn ratty mouse back here to stir the pot with regards to his long standing anti kodak rant. maybe im wrong, but just wanted to throw it out there.
Dont feed the trolls
To me both are good, not expensive scanners, with good results and easy handling.
I'm not anal about resolution of film. And I like grain. It is organic, speaking of Huss and veggies. I don't need huge prints.
I enjoy film cameras for simplicity of use and film for funky colors and BW tones. I'm just not stuck with film in 2020.
If for whatever reason I need accurate colors, huge resolution, no grain and large prints, I have no issues to use digital.
While both scanners are absolutely good for letter sized prints from 135 film and 120 film scans from Epson are awesome on larger prints.
You erroneously assume that Kodak want to make it easy to glean information from their reports, or that they have to make it easy.Very true. I make the assumption, perhaps incorrectly, that the vast majority of this division concerns movie and still film. Kodak's consumer printing division died many years ago and whatever revenue/profits it used to contribute should be minimal. I am not aware of any other component of this division that would supersede the contributions from the film business. However, they may in fact exist.
Kodak is required by law to disclose to shareholders important aspects of their business at each quarterly report. You can read many statements about how things are going with all aspects of each division. Some examples are:
"Volume for KODAK SONORA Process Free Plates grew by 9 percent for the full year"
"Volume for KODAK FLEXCEL NX Plates grew by 16 percent for the full year"
"PROSPER sale taking longer than expected"
"Annuities revenue for KODAK PROSPER grew by 5 percent year-over-year"
I am confused by the total lack of any comment regarding Kodak's film business. Surely if the trend was a double of the business in the past several years, it would merit a comment in the financial reports.
Why is it missing?
This is a logical question.
If there is no proof to these statements that Kodak's film business is unable to keep up with demand, surely it is not unreasonable to believe that the statements might in fact be incorrect.
Especially when the available figures clearly show a decline in revenue for the film division that has gone on for the past 4 years.
Wow you guys went off the deep end. We just want some new cameras for crying out loud.
Wow you guys went off the deep end. We just want some new cameras for crying out loud.
When you include inflation, film has never been cheaper. Arista 400 for $4.29/36 in 2020? That would be something like a nickel in the 1980s...
I don't suggest that Kodak's film is detrimental to its profit and security. That is not the point that I am making and further, I don't believe that is true. The only point, the sole point, the single point I'm making is that the film division's revenue stream does not suggest that there has been a surge in film sales, both motion and still.
That's it, nothing more. I don't understand why those who don't believe this, attack me personally rather than refute the facts. If it is that easy, that true, then go ahead and prove it. Are we not adults here?
You guys enjoy yourselves. It was a good thread while it lasted.
I learned to use a changing bag back in the original "film days". Once you've practiced loading a few rolls of sacrificial film in daylight, transferring the "feel" to a changing bag is really just a matter of a few practice runs. A changing bag costs under $25, and requires no space.
I really don't feel that any of the material considerations or availability of chemistry and products is much of a challenge these days. We've got it pretty good.
Andy
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