This could be the reason Kodak spun off its film division during bankruptcy proceedings to Kodak Alaris. They didn't see it as a long term profit center compared to the non-film divisions they kept. All of this is not a good sign for film users. The higher film prices go, the more people that will switch to digital. Then less buyers will raise film prices again in an endless spiral that leads where?
EK would probably get more for the IPR. Impossible took over a Polariod factory? Moving manufacture difficult, manufacture on different machines difficult.Maybe Kodak's film making and coating machines will end up in China one of these days? JW
Kodak Alaris have contracts to buy their film from Eastman Kodak, which is why they have been able to keep the same film line but Eastman Kodak are no longer pulling the strings. That being said, EK may have hiked their prices to KA meaning an increase to the end user.
If they do, it will be in pieces along with a lot of other US scrap metal....Maybe Kodak's film making and coating machines will end up in China one of these days?...
I don't mind inflation or price increases at all; as long as they increase our wages.
Of course that never happens anymore...
I don't mind inflation or price increases at all; as long as they increase our wages.
Of course that never happens anymore...
I'm just curious how many people on this forum are so young that they don't really understand the meaning of "inflation" yet? I'm just glad I've
got a lot of Kodak film in the freezer right now, which was bought at a much better price.
You're right Bill and I just read an interesting article on this "These charts show how millions of U.S. jobs pay less now than they did in 1999". Pretty sad I'd say, since there is no attempt to even consider wages being uplifted to counter inflation. JW
I'm just curious how many people on this forum are so young that they don't really understand the meaning of "inflation" yet? I'm just glad I've
got a lot of Kodak film in the freezer right now, which was bought at a much better price.
And dramatically less than they did thirty years before that. Add in the fact that we have so much other crap [sic] to spend it on now - no one had $100 a month cable bills or the cell phone bills or even the backwards-inflation-adjusted equivalent back then - and it's no wonder disposable income seems so much less. It is so much less. My generation (I'm 50) was the first to have to run faster than their parents just to be in the same place, and later ones have it even worse.
I haven't read this whole thread...and a good thing too judging by the direction it seems to be taking.
Personally, my take on this is that if you want to shoot film, then you're going to have to get used to a steady diet of price increases. Don't like it? Shoot digital. Or evangelize like crazy and convert ten photographers back to film.
But the volume just isn't there.
This isn't going to be "big bad corporation screwing the customer". Its going to be "tiny, niche provider trying to eek out a profit to keep the doors open".
Nonsense. 120% price increases are just absurd. You want to kill off film photography, raise prices by 120% a few times. That will do it with a short and quick death.
I just got back from town where I went to the CVS drug store to buy a mothers day card. I looked over to the right of the cashier counter and the C-41 machine was gone. I asked how long ago that happened, and the lady said 2 months ago. I thought about this thread as I walked out, shaking my head. They've pulled out their film equipment and their tobacco inventory. So what have they got left but drugs and overprice cosmetics? Essentially the company has given themselves over to the health insurance business. They only need the warm bodies to walk in with prescriptions. Something is awry in the direction things are heading.
Exactly. It isn't increases in general that have people incensed, it's the magnitude. Kodak is already premium priced, in the US anyway. They will simply outprice themselves compared to the competition with jumps of this magnitude, if they in fact show up here. (And at least for black and white. There's really just no competition for color neg outside of some consumer 35mm stuff from Fuji.)
Exactly. It isn't increases in general that have people incensed, it's the magnitude. Kodak is already premium priced, in the US anyway. They will simply outprice themselves compared to the competition with jumps of this magnitude, if they in fact show up here. (And at least for black and white. There's really just no competition for color neg outside of some consumer 35mm stuff from Fuji.)
In my business, if we don't want a customer, we don't tell them to go away, we raise their prices until they go away on their own. Kodak has no interest in selling film anymore so they are likely doing the same.
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If I were to conclude from the above quote that your marriage to Kodak has irretrievably broken down, would this be the right conclusion? I ask this question because, based on your answer, I will desist from casting any more seed as it is falling on stony ground and is both wasting seed and is maybe even seen by you as a form of poking a stick into a wasps nest which never ends well for person poking or the wasps
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