Kodak yellow HC-110 in round bottle - 2022 - Sino Promise, Made in China

[mshchem]

{Moderator's Note: for discussion about the previous, 2019 version of HC-110, and its differences from what preceded it, you may wish to revue this thread: https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/new-hc-110-developer-not-the-same.176138/}

Hello guys.
I just bought a bottle of Kodak HC-110 in TAIWAN.
My HC-110 is yellow and round bottle.
And it's CAT 660 1777.
I know the old yellow HC-110 which be put in the round bottle, it's CAT 501 0541.
And the new transparency HC-110 is CAT 105 8692.
Does any try the HC-110 CAT 660 1777?

This is very interesting to hear. I am curious if any other Kodak black and white chemistry, powdered or liquid shows, SinoPromise made in China?
HC-110 105-8692, is showing "not currently available" on the B&H Photo, New York website. I am wondering if SinoPromise is going to be making other changes.

 

[Steven Lee]

I got a bottle of the old syrup and I have recently tested dilutions from 1+15 to 1+99 and it's the most amazing developer I've used for HP5+.
Even for direct sunlight it is superior to Perceptol: grain is unexpectedly small, tight, sharp, and equalized. (1+99).
And 1+31 is optimal for overcast: it doesn't look at all like what I had seen from HP5+... The upswept curve wakes HP5+ up from its native low contrast and makes it a new film.
All this at EI320.
I don't know why it's said 1+31 (dil. B) imitates D-76 1+1... Perhaps it was true with much older emulsion technology?
I found HC-110 gives different tone and different grain too, compared to D-76.
I had seen sharp HP5+ without grain: PyroHD and Xtol, but in HC-110 it's very sharp and with amazing beautiful grain at the same time. Dil. B doesn't dilute grain in any way: I thought it would...

Juan, apologies for resurrecting the old thread. Do you mind explaining a bit clearer the difference in grain appearance of HP5+ in different dilutions of HC-110 please?

You said that at 1+99 the grain is "sharp, tight and equalized" and then also "dilution B does not dilute grain in any way". So what is the difference between the two?

 

[mshchem]

Has anyone else been seeing Kodak Sino Promise chemistry? I hope! I've used a lot of color chemistry over the years.

 

[AnselMortensen]

Presented for posterity and nostalgia:
A bottle of HC-110 concentrate acquired new circa 1984.
I used it only for large format deep tank & hanger film processing, for economy.
Unfortunately, I tested it recently...and it is dead.

 

[Roger Cole]

The older version containing a sulfur dioxide adduct of an organic was a lot more difficult (and expensive) to make, but that ingredient was most likely what its legendary longevity could be attributed to.

Is that why Ilford Ilfotec HC is so much more expensive? The Film Developing Cookbook says it's basically identical to old HC-110 (as of the time that was written anyway.) Considering the dilutions it's not prohibitively so, but it's nearly twice as much (currently $73.99 at Freestyle though out of stock, vs. new (presumably) HC-110 at $43.99, in stock.)

 

[MattKing]

Is that why Ilford Ilfotec HC is so much more expensive? The Film Developing Cookbook says it's basically identical to old HC-110 (as of the time that was written anyway.) Considering the dilutions it's not prohibitively so, but it's about twice as much.

It will probably be even more expensive soon. As it is made in Germany and sold out of the UK, and both the Euro and the Pound are so low against the US dollar.

 

[Roger Cole]

It will probably be even more expensive soon. As it is made in Germany and sold out of the UK, and both the Euro and the Pound are so low against the US dollar.

I actually just saw the discussion about the Ilfotect on the earlier pages and came back here to delete this. But anyway... yeah, that's likely at least a big part of why.

 

[Roger Cole]

Juan, apologies for resurrecting the old thread. Do you mind explaining a bit clearer the difference in grain appearance of HP5+ in different dilutions of HC-110 please?

You said that at 1+99 the grain is "sharp, tight and equalized" and then also "dilution B does not dilute grain in any way". So what is the difference between the two?

I'm curious about that too. I have no earthly idea what "equalized" grain is, nor "diluted" grain for that matter, though I take the latter to just mean "lessened." Maybe?

 

[Ernst-Jan]

It will probably be even more expensive soon. As it is made in Germany and sold out of the UK, and both the Euro and the Pound are so low against the US dollar.

Also in Europe Ilfotech HC is more expensive than HC110.

 

[brbo]

It will probably be even more expensive soon. As it is made in Germany and sold out of the UK, and both the Euro and the Pound are so low against the US dollar.

No, EU produced goods will be cheaper in USD with weaker Euro.

 

[Roger Cole]

No, EU produced goods will be cheaper in USD with weaker Euro.

Well duh - of course. Didn't really think that through.

 

[MattKing]

Well duh - of course. Didn't really think that through.

I did think it through, and got it turned around! +1 to the "duh" comment.

 

[Fredrixxon]

New bottle of hc-110 I received today looks exactly like the older version by Kodak Alaris. Same catalogue number, same barcode, same "made in Germany" statement. The major difference is Sinopromise name instead of Kodak.