Kodak relative company

[Eddy Lin]

Now, there are three company use Kodak as label.
1. Eastman Kodak
2. Kodak Alaris
3. Sino Promise

Eastman Kodak made the motion picture film.

Kodak Alaris made the Kodak film and Kodak professional film.

Sino Promise made the paper and chemicals.

Am I right?

 

[Wallendo]

Eastman Kodak makes all Kodak film, movie and still.

Kodak Alaris markets and distributes the still films, while Eastman Kodak markets and distributes movie film.

 

[MattKing]

Eastman Kodak manufactures the Kodak films - both still and motion picture.
Eastman Kodak markets and distributes the Kodak motion picture film.
Kodak Alaris is responsible for all the marketing and distribution worldwide of Kodak still films, which are manufactured for it by Eastman Kodak. Eastman Kodak does not sell {Kodak} still film to anyone other than Kodak Alaris.
Kodak Alaris recently sold to Sino Promise the Kodak paper and chemicals business. The actual manufacture of those products is in some cases also done by Sino Promise, while other products are manufactured for Sino Promise by others under contract.
The Kodak brand is owned by Eastman Kodak and licensed to others, including Kodak Alaris, Sino Promise, and companies making all sorts of other things like digital cameras and batteries.
Back in 2012,as part of the Eastman Kodak bankruptcy, Eastman Kodak transferred to Kodak Alaris all the business that Kodak Alaris and Sino Promise currently operate, reserving to itself just the manufacturing and motion picture film marketing that it currently does. The majority of Eastman Kodak's (and its subsidiaries) went with it, along with associated land, building and leasehold interests worldwide (outside of Rochester NY). At that time, Kodak Alaris was much "bigger" than Eastman Kodak.

 

[Eddy Lin]

Eastman Kodak manufactures the Kodak films - both still and motion picture.
Eastman Kodak markets and distributes the Kodak motion picture film.
Kodak Alaris is responsible for all the marketing and distribution worldwide of Kodak still films, which are manufactured for it by Eastman Kodak. Eastman Kodak does not sell still film to anyone other than Kodak Alaris.
Kodak Alaris recently sold to Sino Promise the Kodak paper and chemicals business. The actual manufacture of those products is in some cases also done by Sino Promise, while other products are manufactured for Sino Promise by others under contract.
The Kodak brand is owned by Eastman Kodak and licensed to others, including Kodak Alaris, Sino Promise, and companies making all sorts of other things like digital cameras and batteries.
Back in 2012,as part of the Eastman Kodak bankruptcy, Eastman Kodak transferred to Kodak Alaris all the business that Kodak Alaris and Sino Promise currently operate, reserving to itself just the manufacturing and motion picture film marketing that it currently does. The majority of Eastman Kodak's (and its subsidiaries) went with it, along with associated land, building and leasehold interests worldwide (outside of Rochester NY). At that time, Kodak Alaris was much "bigger" than Eastman Kodak.

So, all the Kodak film is made by Eastman Kodak?

 

[MattKing]

So, all the Kodak film is made by Eastman Kodak?

Yes.

 

[AgX]

Not quite...

It even gets more complicated.
Kodak years ago transferred the marketing of their microfilms to another US entity. When Kodal cancelled production of microfilms, that entity took over the respective Kodak brand and Agfa started to market their microfilms only through that firm, under the former Kodak tradename.

 

[brbo]

Eastman Kodak does not sell still film to anyone other than Kodak Alaris.

I don't think Fuji, Lomography... get Eastman Kodak film through Kodak Alaris. Or do they?!

 

[MattKing]

I don't think Fuji, Lomography... get Eastman Kodak film through Kodak Alaris. Or do they?!

I should have said Eastman Kodak doesn't sell Kodak still film to anyone other than Kodak Alaris - like this:

Eastman Kodak does not sell {Kodak} still film to anyone other than Kodak Alaris.

Eastman Kodak will be happy to make you some film of your own - they happily do toll coating, as long as it doesn't exactly duplicate the Kodak branded stuff.
I expect that the weird situation with apparent Kodak product in Fuji cameras and cassettes probably involves Kodak Alaris in some way.

 

[cmacd123]

Not quite...

It even gets more complicated.
Kodak years ago transferred the marketing of their microfilms to another US entity. When Kodal cancelled production of microfilms, that entity took over the respective Kodak brand and Agfa started to market their microfilms only through that firm, under the former Kodak tradename.

Then of course their is the former Kodak Health Care Division. that was also sold to a new firm called Carestream. who has the right to sell X-ray film, and has the former Kodak film plant in Colorado. (not sure if the film still mentions Kodak, but some of the X-ray equipment made by Kodak is probably still in use.)

Not clear who makes or sells any Kodak Areo Film.

 

[mshchem]

I wonder if the US government still uses any film in the few remaining U2 aircraft?

 

[Sirius Glass]

I wonder if the US government still uses any film in the few remaining U2 aircraft?

That turned digital decades ago, hence the lack of financial support to HIE and IR Ektachrome.

 

[MattKing]

That turned digital decades ago, hence the lack of financial support to HIE and IR Ektachrome.

They were still using film in at least some instances in 2018:
https://petapixel.com/2018/06/08/film-photography-at-70000-feet-in-the-u-2-spy-plane/

 

[MattKing]

I wonder if the US government still uses any film in the few remaining U2 aircraft?

That turned digital decades ago, hence the lack of financial support to HIE and IR Ektachrome.

My sources indicate that from time to time Eastman Kodak does still get US government contracts to supply aerial films.
They also remind me that Eastman Kodak also makes Printed Circuit Board, as well as films for Graphic Arts and Industrial X-Ray applications, as well as doing contract coatings for Carestream’s Display products.

 

[Dirb9]

Then of course their is the former Kodak Health Care Division. that was also sold to a new firm called Carestream. who has the right to sell X-ray film, and has the former Kodak film plant in Colorado. (not sure if the film still mentions Kodak, but some of the X-ray equipment made by Kodak is probably still in use.)

Not clear who makes or sells any Kodak Areo Film.

Doesn't (or perhaps didn't) Carestream coat all of Kodak's RA-4 paper for about the past decade? Not sure what's happening with the Sino Promise transition as part of that. I've heard that there was a Kodak facility in the early 2000s in China that could do RA-4 paper, but I don't know the current status of it.

As far as I can tell, Eastman Kodak sells a aerial films directly, or at least I haven't been able to track down a third party distributor. Based on the datasheets, it appears that there is one C41 film and a couple b&w that are still current production.

 

[mshchem]

My sources indicate that from time to time Eastman Kodak does still get US government contracts to supply aerial films.
They also remind me that Eastman Kodak also makes Printed Circuit Board, as well as films for Graphic Arts and Industrial X-Ray applications, as well as doing contract coatings for Carestream’s Display products.

Matt, who do you need to know to buy 35mm color negative films? I need to get on the phone and see if I can find some Portra 160. I have enough 120 films to last a while.

I have always used Kodak "Professional" color negative film going back to the 70's. Portra (and Ektar) is phenomenal. I have shot quite a bit of Fujichrome Provia over the years, the new Ektachrome feels a lot like Provia, which is a good thing for me.

The bottle neck (or maybe sweet spot from Kodak's view) in 35mm products is something I've never seen before.
Best Mike

 

[mshchem]

Doesn't (or perhaps didn't) Carestream coat all of Kodak's RA-4 paper for about the past decade? Not sure what's happening with the Sino Promise transition as part of that. I've heard that there was a Kodak facility in the early 2000s in China that could do RA-4 paper, but I don't know the current status of it.

As far as I can tell, Eastman Kodak sells a aerial films directly, or at least I haven't been able to track down a third party distributor. Based on the datasheets, it appears that there is one C41 film and a couple b&w that are still current production.

Kodak's Harrow UK plant made color negative paper until a few years ago. The Carestream and now it's in Sino Promise hands. Hopefully it will be back in all it's former glory soon.

 

[MattKing]

Matt, who do you need to know to buy 35mm color negative films? I need to get on the phone and see if I can find some Portra 160. I have enough 120 films to last a while.

I have always used Kodak "Professional" color negative film going back to the 70's. Portra (and Ektar) is phenomenal. I have shot quite a bit of Fujichrome Provia over the years, the new Ektachrome feels a lot like Provia, which is a good thing for me.

The bottle neck (or maybe sweet spot from Kodak's view) in 35mm products is something I've never seen before.
Best Mike

That comes through Kodak Alaris. And that bottleneck is related to a bunch of things that include delays in the "confectioning" part of the process - the sprockets, edge printing, cassetting, etc.
That is compounded by the problems that they continue to have in sourcing materials, and the delays in shipping worldwide.
They have also been challenged recently by a bunch of sourcing problems on the 120 film lines.

 

[MattKing]

As I understand it Carestream isn't making the paper any more, and their intention to switch to sources that Sino Promise own/control has been hampered by pandemic related disruptions.
Eastman Kodak are poised to supply Sino Promise with control films and papers when Sino Promise is able to get their facilities back up and running.