Kodak Reintroduces Ektachrome.

[flavio81]

Simon Galley showed that your observations are mostly fantasy.

+1

Add to the list, to Mirko's (ADOX) posts here. Manufacturers should participate more in these forums.

 

[flavio81]

Cassettes? We knew they sounded terrible when we were making copies of our (friends) LPs so we could take our music with us. Nostalgic nonsense.

Some months ago I listened to a high-quality prerecorded tape on a top-of-the-line Pioneer cassette deck from about 1980-82. Sound quality was pretty good, but not better than what I can get with the average (good) record on my Lenco turntable.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Yes. Most threads here are slums, with the same ten people broadcasting their negativity and pointless grudges, and dozens of others reacting in kind. I regret almost every time I check in to Photrio, and nearly every time I post too, including this one. It's a waste of breath.

It's heartening and incredible to me that Ilford, Kodak, Fuji, the mavericks at Ferrania and Polaroid et al are giving it a go in this challenging environment, and I support them all in one way or another. Why any of them would participate here is beyond me. Anyone with an iota of marketing experience would know it's a black hole of negativity that will never pay off.

The floor is yours.

Coward - defend your statement

 

[removed account4]

Coward - defend your statement

whatever ...
its true threads like this and others end up a real drag
not really showcase threads, its too bad they are indexed ..

 

[Theo Sulphate]

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why does everything have to be high fidelity to enjoy it ?
...

Ah... but we know low-fidelity can be fun. Maybe that's why I like pinhole photos and Polaroid photos. Not everything needs to be at 800 lp/mm to enjoy it.

A music lover is able to enjoy a song from an AM radio in a warehouse.

 

[warden]

Coward - defend your statement

Aw shucks, you're a peach. Maybe you can be the Photrio ambassador of positivity and prove me wrong. Nearly 30K of your posts says this place is your life after all, so have at it and tell us how wonderful Hasselblads are for the twenty thousandth time. Because that never gets old for anyone here.

 

[warden]

Simon Galley built up a ton of good will by his postings here at APUG. That you ignore this does not change this fact.

I haven't ignored it at all, and if you read my post you saw that. So who took over from Simon back in 2015 when he stopped posting here? Is there a "new Simon"? I've learned a lot about Ilford's business and products this year, but almost none of it at Photrio.

 

[removed account4]

Ah... but we know low-fidelity can be fun. Maybe that's why I like pinhole photos and Polaroid photos. Not everything needs to be at 800 lp/mm to enjoy it.

A music lover is able to enjoy a song from an AM radio in a warehouse.

i love am in a warehouse !

 

[Cholentpot]

Ah... but we know low-fidelity can be fun. Maybe that's why I like pinhole photos and Polaroid photos. Not everything needs to be at 800 lp/mm to enjoy it.

A music lover is able to enjoy a song from an AM radio in a warehouse.

The Beatles in mono with AM compression out of a single speaker in the dashboard.

Look the remasters are fine, but the first few albums are supposed to be lowfi to my ears.

 

[RattyMouse]

I haven't ignored it at all, and if you read my post you saw that. So who took over from Simon back in 2015 when he stopped posting here? Is there a "new Simon"? I've learned a lot about Ilford's business and products this year, but almost none of it at Photrio.

Private equity owns Ilford; a soulless corporation rather than the 5 or so humans who used to own it. I've worked for a company that was bought out by private equity. The change in corporate culture was enormous, and ultimately catastrophic.

Having a presence at Phototrio takes away from the bottom line so private equity put a stop to that.

 

[Theo Sulphate]

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Having a presence at Phototrio takes away from the bottom line so private equity put a stop to that.

Sometimes good will can be generated.

There is (was?) a customer service rep from B&H on dpreview who had also participated in the old Usenet newsgroups. There was also a Rollei representative back in the day.

I'm not sure whether they participated on their own time or not. However, there presence was appreciated by many.

 

[RattyMouse]

Sometimes good will can be generated.

There is (was?) a customer service rep from B&H on dpreview who had also participated in the old Usenet newsgroups. There was also a Rollei representative back in the day.

I'm not sure whether they participated on their own time or not. However, there presence was appreciated by many.

Henry from B & H is still active on DPR and FredMiranda. Adorama also has a presence there.

 

[warden]

Private equity owns Ilford; a soulless corporation rather than the 5 or so humans who used to own it. I've worked for a company that was bought out by private equity. The change in corporate culture was enormous, and ultimately catastrophic.

Having a presence at Phototrio takes away from the bottom line so private equity put a stop to that.

Really now. Soulless private equity is why Ilford is not present at Photrio. That's quite a cost cutting narrative you've invented.

From what I can see/read/hear for myself Ilford is more active with their customers than they have been in years, with daily activity on multiple social media platforms, with their redesigned web site, their education initiative for beginners, and also granting detailed interviews and tours of their facilities to those interested enough to simply ask for one. It's not hard at all to learn what they're up to and how they're making and marketing their products because their communications team is on it. Ilford has invested to expand their communications with the photographic community where it does them some good. Just not here. And that decision is simply about marketing, not the imaginary evils of soulless private equity.

 

[RattyMouse]

Really now. Soulless private equity is why Ilford is not present at Photrio. That's quite a cost cutting narrative you've invented.

From what I can see/read/hear for myself Ilford is more active with their customers than they have been in years, with daily activity on multiple social media platforms, with their redesigned web site, their education initiative for beginners, and also granting detailed interviews and tours of their facilities to those interested enough to simply ask for one. It's not hard at all to learn what they're up to and how they're making and marketing their products because their communications team is on it. Ilford has invested to expand their communications with the photographic community where it does them some good. Just not here. And that decision is simply about marketing, not the imaginary evils of soulless private equity.

All that has happened in the past AND having Simon Galley here. So you are incorrect. Again.

 

[warden]

All that has happened in the past AND having Simon Galley here. So you are incorrect. Again.

Yeah, no. If you want to learn from Ilford themselves what they're up to and who they see as their core future markets and how they're developing them you can do the research. I'm not spoon feeding you links.

Then again, the soulless venture capital overlords may have swords drawn, preventing innocent Ilford employees from telling the awful, dark, Rat Mouse truth of the Great Photrio Ban of 2015. It gives me venture capital shivers, I tell ya'. I've got VC shivers!

 

[Agulliver]

Ilford's outreach to customers is far greater than before the recent change in directors. Not knocking Simon as he was genuinely great but the website, social media presence and interaction with us is significantly better than before. Whether that's a coincidence or a strategy devised by the new board is of course open to debate. But they are far from soulless, whoever happens to own the brand. Compared to Kodak, Fuji and Foma they're light years ahead with customer interaction and they still answer technical questions within hours.

As for cassettes, people think they sounded terrible because most people never owned decent equipment. How bad might you think film was if f all you've seen is snaps from a Disc camera.....don't assume cassette is bad if you've never heard a Nakamichi or top line Denon, Sony or Teac, and thought that TDK D on your boom box or mini system sounded crap.

The parallel is that the companies trying to make new cassette tape are facing obstacles and delays in similar vein to Film Ferrania, and are being berated for it by entitled forum posters who scream "where's MY tape?".....or "It's the wrong tape, why aren't you making type IV metal?" when all these questions have been patiently answered scores of times by the companies themselves or people in the know who speak for them.

 

[Hatchetman]

Ilford's outreach to customers is far greater than before the recent change in directors..

Via what avenue? I follow them on Twitter and don't see a whole lot. I don't use Facebook. Am I missing something else?

 

[Agulliver]

Ilford has invested to expand their communications with the photographic community where it does them some good. Just not here. And that decision is simply about marketing, not the imaginary evils of soulless private equity.

Yep, wholly in agreement. It's a shame Simon isn't here any more, and that none of the people running Ilford are here in his place....but the fact is that we on Photrio know what Ilford is, are familiar with their products and don't actually *need* that outreach.

As I stated above, Ilford is interacting with it's customer base like no other film company including education initiatives, presence on multiple social media platforms and a raft of things that Fuji, Kodak and Foma are just not doing.

 

[Agulliver]

Via what avenue? I follow them on Twitter and don't see a whole lot. I don't use Facebook. Am I missing something else?

You're missing their facebook presence and their entirely revamped website which is far more interactive than the previous version. And their education initiatives.

It's not aimed at us because we already are aware of their products. I can see how what we notice is SImon's absence. But the bigger picture is actually one of Ilford taking initiatives that no other photo film company is.

 

[warden]

Via what avenue? I follow them on Twitter and don't see a whole lot. I don't use Facebook. Am I missing something else?

Website, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Youtube, and quite recently a three hour interview/tour via podcast. They're busy, and marketing to new/younger/less experienced users, which is likely why they're not here, where they really don't need to educate the community. They're doing a good job of being welcoming to new film users without talking down to them.

 

[Bob Carnie]

You're missing their facebook presence and their entirely revamped website which is far more interactive than the previous version. And their education initiatives.

It's not aimed at us because we already are aware of their products. I can see how what we notice is SImon's absence. But the bigger picture is actually one of Ilford taking initiatives that no other photo film company is.

I know when we asked them to support the Photrio Symposium this last spring they politely refused, wheras 10 years earlier when we ran the same event, management few to Toronto to support , and be very present. Simon took about 40 of us out for dinner and foot the bill. But then again we had about 6 people from here support the event this spring, when 10 years before we had over 180 people attend.

I am still reeling from hosting this event, financially and pretty much discouraged by this membership.. I would have thought a different outcome....

 

[Sal Santamaura]

Cassettes?...Nostalgic nonsense.

Like chemical imaging/photography?

Really now...that decision is simply about marketing, not the imaginary evils of soulless private equity.

It's rare I feel envy for someone posting on an Internet forum, but you've managed to engender that emotion in me. Oh how nice it would be to know everything like you do.

 

[warden]

It's rare I feel envy for someone posting on an Internet forum, but you've managed to engender that emotion in me. Oh how nice it would be to know everything like you do.

Oh don't envy me Sal, I don't know much. But I have tried the simple approach of going to the source and listening to them directly, which I certainly recommend. Cheers.

 

[Chan Tran]

Cassettes? We knew they sounded terrible when we were making copies of our (friends) LPs so we could take our music with us. Nostalgic nonsense.

Unless your friends LP sounded terrible my cassette copies would sound great.

 

[Chan Tran]

Ilford's outreach to customers is far greater than before the recent change in directors. Not knocking Simon as he was genuinely great but the website, social media presence and interaction with us is significantly better than before. Whether that's a coincidence or a strategy devised by the new board is of course open to debate. But they are far from soulless, whoever happens to own the brand. Compared to Kodak, Fuji and Foma they're light years ahead with customer interaction and they still answer technical questions within hours.

As for cassettes, people think they sounded terrible because most people never owned decent equipment. How bad might you think film was if f all you've seen is snaps from a Disc camera.....don't assume cassette is bad if you've never heard a Nakamichi or top line Denon, Sony or Teac, and thought that TDK D on your boom box or mini system sounded crap.

The parallel is that the companies trying to make new cassette tape are facing obstacles and delays in similar vein to Film Ferrania, and are being berated for it by entitled forum posters who scream "where's MY tape?".....or "It's the wrong tape, why aren't you making type IV metal?" when all these questions have been patiently answered scores of times by the companies themselves or people in the know who speak for them.

My CR-7a sounded great even with TDK-D but I mostly use TDK-MA with it. I wish I can buy some more blanks TDK-MA.