Kodak Reintroduces Ektachrome.

wblynch · Aug 17, 2018

dscottjorgenson said:
Thank you for that information. That's pretty amusing. I stopped in at Camera & Darkroom in Santa Fe while on a trip to New Mexico in summer of 2017, just curious to see whether they carried any E6 (and if Velvia in 120 format, I was going to buy some to supplement the dwindling stock I was travelling with). The fellow behind the counter assured me that not only did they not carry any slide film, but there was nowhere in New Mexico to process it - just as we can see that their web site still says.

And meanwhile, Visions Photo in Santa Fe, barely 1.5 miles from Camera & Darkroom by car (according to Google Maps), clearly does process E6. And according to their home page, they have been "Developing visions for Santa Fe's professional photographers and hobbyists for the past 15 years" - I assume that includes E6 the whole time as well. It seems Camera & Darkroom doesn't know what's going on at one of their only competitors in town barely a mile-and-a-half away.

Just goes to show in general - ask around, and don't take a single answer as THE answer.

It just means they would rather LIE than see any business go to a competitor.

WilmarcoImaging · Aug 17, 2018

More test images on insta. Looks great. I will try some in 135 and hope for 120 and 4x5.

braxus · Aug 18, 2018

I have shot many a slide film, but this didn't look like the E100G I remember. That said I will still buy some rolls of the new stuff in all formats (Super 8, 16mm, 35mm). I'll admit though that Kodachrome 40 was my benchmark for color on movie films, especially when projected. And Kodachrome was a bit punchy too. I have some RDPIII to use if I don't like what Im seeing with the new E100. I do also do shoot lots of Velvia 50. Funny color tastes seem to have gone back to the way films looked in the 70s. I guess digital doesn't do this as well, though I could just turn down the saturation a bit to approximate the look (other then how color looks like on film vs digital). I used to work in a photolab for 19 years and have been a major Kodak film supporter. So its not like I don't know what Im looking at. I'll wait till I see my own rolls before seeing how I like this film.

miha · Aug 18, 2018

It's amaizing to me how people so easily jump into conclusion after seeing a cuple of scans of unknown background...

Nzoomed · Aug 18, 2018

Looking forward to getting my hands on some!
Anyone know how to apply for the beta rolls?
Ive got to shoot all my E100G and Kodachrome in my fridge now, lol, yes there are people able to process Kodachrome after chemicals were sourced from a chinese lab.

ME Super · Aug 18, 2018

Sirius Glass said:
Why weren't you this upset when Kodak UltraColor was removed from the market?

Because Kodak UltraColor projects horribly. Blue suns and magenta grass! Dark highlights and light shadows! Then there's that orange cast to the whole thing. It just doesn't look right when projected.

Now that the sarcasm is out of the way... I'm primarily a slide shooter, and I shoot to project. As negative films go, though, Ektar is punchy enough for me, and Portra is a nice film too. I've shot Ektar 100 and Portra 800 in 120 and the stuff is amazing. Portra 400 in 35mm works well too, but I like having that extra stop available in 800 for available darkness shooting, and going up to 6x6 makes the grain almost disappear. I can only imagine what it would be like to shoot this in large format!

Urmonas · Aug 18, 2018

I certainly hope the new Ektachrome is a low saturation. Fuji's offerings are too saturated for my taste. I had hoped Ferrania's film would have been available earlier, but maybe Kodak will get there first. Of course if this suits my needs it does mean I will be shooting less Portra, so Kodak may not make more money out of me.

cmacd123 · Aug 18, 2018

Cholentpot said:
Can you order duplicates? Is that a thing? Say I like frame 4 can I go and order three slides of frame 4? Is this done?

It USED to be done, but I am not sure if the special Dupe film is made by anyone. (basically a Lower contrast E-6 film that one could print a slide on without the contrast building up too much)

braxus · Aug 18, 2018

I'll reserve final judgement till I use this new film myself. Im so used to using Fuji now for slides, Im not sure how I'll like E100. I did like E100G, but its not confirmed if this new film will be exactly the same or toned down.

Poisson Du Jour · Aug 18, 2018

braxus said:
I'll reserve final judgement till I use this new film myself.

That, sensibly, is what we will all do!
Actually I'm much more inclined to wait out until the final retail version is released. IF...

Photo Engineer · Aug 18, 2018

AFAIK, only dupe negatives can be made of original transparencies. I'm not sure what dupe material is used for this now.

PE

braxus · Aug 18, 2018

PE- Do they still make dupe neg film or is this just a case of using any neg film and copying the slide?

Cholentpot · Aug 19, 2018

Photo Engineer said:
AFAIK, only dupe negatives can be made of original transparencies. I'm not sure what dupe material is used for this now.

PE

So the slide is the one unique copy. I guess you can dupe it by shooting the slide with a macro lens with another roll of slide?

iandvaag · Aug 19, 2018

Cholentpot, the problem is that characteristic curves multiply upon printing, and in the case of slide film, the contrast builds to unreasonable levels. It can be partially managed by pre-flashing the film (the kludge method), but really you need to mask the film to get any sort of decent all-analog duplicate, now that EDUPE and its ilk are gone.

abruzzi · Aug 19, 2018

Cholentpot said:
So the slide is the one unique copy. I guess you can dupe it by shooting the slide with a macro lens with another roll of slide?

Pentax, and I’m sure other manufacturers, made an attachment for their bellows system for slide duplicating. The Pentax one is designed to work with a 50 or 55 mm lens, I use it with a zoom set to 80mm to shrink the 36x24mm down to the APS-C size of my digital camera. It’s how I digitize all my 35mm.

mnemosyne · Aug 19, 2018

abruzzi said:
Pentax, and I’m sure other manufacturers, made an attachment for their bellows system for slide duplicating. The Pentax one is designed to work with a 50 or 55 mm lens, I use it with a zoom set to 80mm to shrink the 36x24mm down to the APS-C size of my digital camera. It’s how I digitize all my 35mm.

The hardware is not the problem, "slide duplicators" in countless variations were a standard accessory items in the analog age. The problem is the film. You cannot simply duplicate a slide on normal slide film because of the build up of conrast; the resulting slide will have higher contrast than the original one. That is why there were special slide duping films. These films were low contrast, so the resulting duplicate would have the same contrast as the original.

AgX · Aug 19, 2018

Spectral sensitisation too is different.

Agulliver · Aug 19, 2018

I used to use a "slide duplicator" as a way of making prints from slides....I'd select a few slides to photograph onto a fairly neutral colour negative film and have them sent to a lab that did hand printing.

I still have an M42 slide duplicator and adaptors to use it on several of my cameras both analogue and digital.....with the relaunch of Ektachrome and a trip to Malta next year it might just get some use again.

zen_zanon · Aug 19, 2018

Here are Sandra Coan's studio tests from +3 to -3. This new ektachrome looks like it will handle some push development quite easily. I'm hoping to be able to use it at 400 and judging by these tests, it's looking quite possible. https://imgur.com/gallery/27HGC1Z

railwayman3 · Aug 19, 2018

Agulliver said:
I used to use a "slide duplicator" as a way of making prints from slides....I'd select a few slides to photograph onto a fairly neutral colour negative film and have them sent to a lab that did hand printing.

I still have an M42 slide duplicator and adaptors to use it on several of my cameras both analogue and digital.....with the relaunch of Ektachrome and a trip to Malta next year it might just get some use again.

Like you, I used a simple "slide duplicator" to make B&W prints from slides (way back in the 1970's as a student, using Orwo film because it was cheap !). Slight overexposure and slight underdevelopment in Neofin Blue seemed to easily control any tendency to contrast increase, and most printed well on normal paper. Copying colour slide-to-slide was more difficult, proper slide-duplicating film and correction filters when necessary was the best approach, but, with patience, results could be very good.

Photo Engineer · Aug 19, 2018

Kodak recommended Portra for making dupe negatives from slides. Even that is a poor substitute for a real dupe negative or dupe positive film, neither of which exist today. As said, contrasts build when duping pos to pos and the results end up crappy.

PE

Ai Print · Aug 19, 2018

I never really liked or used duplicate slides that stayed in the same format, the loss of quality was just too poor. So in the early 90’s if I had to supply a dupe to satisfy and end use vs the orginal, I had a 4x5 made from a 35mm slide on either duping positive or an interneg, usually the former.

Even that was never as good as a drum scan so it was really quite rare. Nowadays I don’t even send out for a drum scan because using my D850 scanner mounted to a hybrid use of a Sinar P2 and LED light source kind of puts any drum scan to shame. This is especially true of scanning Kodachrome slides that are really rich in color and have high levels of d-max to punch through, there sinmply is no comparison it is so good.

MattKing · Aug 19, 2018

Duplicate slides were best used to allow multiple users to project the same slide.
Think salespeople and slide presentations to customers.

Cholentpot · Aug 19, 2018

Ai Print said:
I never really liked or used duplicate slides that stayed in the same format, the loss of quality was just too poor. So in the early 90’s if I had to supply a dupe to satisfy and end use vs the orginal, I had a 4x5 made from a 35mm slide on either duping positive or an interneg, usually the former.

Even that was never as good as a drum scan so it was really quite rare. Nowadays I don’t even send out for a drum scan because using my D850 scanner mounted to a hybrid use of a Sinar P2 and LED light source kind of puts any drum scan to shame. This is especially true of scanning Kodachrome slides that are really rich in color and have high levels of d-max to punch through, there sinmply is no comparison it is so good.

So you're staying to stick with my DSLR scanning rig. I wonder if I can print the scan to some sort of clear medium and project them...

Ai Print · Aug 19, 2018

Cholentpot said:
So you're staying to stick with my DSLR scanning rig. I wonder if I can print the scan to some sort of clear medium and project them...

Not sure, I would think I would avoid that hoop jumping session and either project the original, an in camera dupe or figure out another way.

Scanning is more to be used for all the other uses that are outside of projection.

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