I get the impression from all of this is that no one really needs for me to buy a 36exp, 135 Ektachrome that I don't even know if I can get decent processing with mounting from Kodak or any one else. It may be a looooog time before I can start shooting slides/dias/transpariences again and I don't have a loooog time to wait. Back to B&W............Regards!A 5 : 1 ratio was the illusion to simple tv news production with film (before video). Executive producers wanted to see not more than 6 :1 = 6 minutes film raw material for 1 minute TV news. Some editors got a ratio of 6 :1 but mostly 8 : 1 was also quite OK. At 12 : 1 - 15 :1 they
got a call to come directly to the chief. (because of the costs).
I heard about some editors were fired at 20 : 1.... (it was never caused from camera operators they should be able to work 1,5 - 2 : 1.)
Todays video television news are working with ratios of 20 - 40 : 1 (or higher) everything is allowed.
But your ratio you mentioned with film is with low budget production?
A class films often have a lenght of
4,5 hours, 5,5 hours.....Coppola was nearly bunkrupt on filmworks to Appocalypse Now due to final version of more than 8 hours and highest ratios.
So you have a ratio of 6 : 1 with special scenes sometimes 3 :1 / 4:1
because of great expensive effort (not from the film costs) and the rest is on the play of the actors and the director. 12:1 / 8:1 / 16 :1....
But don't forget the final lenght of a cinema movie. Best results in filmwork have a nearly double lenght. (The film should be in the near of 100min. and the cutting version has 185 min) so it comes to a final post production (and much of deleted scenes).
The meaning to the ratio is factor 2 - 4 (because you have to realize the concern of the final version)
So if you are just regarding the lenght of the film you know from cinema you may count in real ratios of 24:1 / 16:1 / 32:1 / (with factor x2 - from ratios given above.
with regards
PS : Coppola was co - producer and spent some private money he earned from "The Godfather" (nearly 2 million bucks) into production. But the studios cut the budget as they realized Coppolas ratio went higher and higher and he was going to burn their full money.
(ratio much over 100:1)
PPS : He gave the full rest of his private money including his house, the insurance of his mom and the money for his childs (education fond) into his crazy filmwork.
And he got his money back (with factor x 25.....)
Heh. Until this moment, I didn't even know Kodak had anything to do with cryptocurrency.
All these side ventures... makes me truly wonder who is going to be producing film 10, 20 years from now.
I'm hoping the new Ektachrome comes with a Kodak iPhone charger...BVY, good to see the charge is up a bit on your phone.
PE
And then, what did HE say? That had to be some time before the 1830s was it not?......Regards!
Assumption... that may-or-may-not be true... that they are REALLY trying to make the best-possible product. May I suggest a re-phrase: ...am I the only one happy that Kodak isn't quickly releasing inferior/bad product. Some of us are taking a rather stoic approach... but I'm very glad that you are so up-beat about it.In this day and age, where companies routinely release inferior/incomplete products to consumers...am I the only one happy that Kodak is really trying to bring out the best possible product right from the get go?
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Assumption... that may-or-may-not be true... that they are REALLY trying to make the best-possible product. May I suggest a re-phrase: ...am I the only one happy that Kodak isn't quickly releasing inferior/bad product.
No one probably will be making film (or plates, or paper) except those working in home darkrooms.
PE
In this day and age, where companies routinely release inferior/incomplete products to consumers...am I the only one happy that Kodak is really trying to bring out the best possible product right from the get go?
There's a whole new wave of film photographers that have probably never even shot slide film before. .
I imagine Kodak is wanting to make sure their first experience hooks them to continue shooting slide. There's also the generations that have shot slide, but perhaps haven't done so in a decade or more. Does Kodak want to release an inferior product to them? Hell no. These types of consumers need the best possible experience from that first roll.
Sure they've missed their targets...but I can't even imagine how difficult it is to resurrect this film. Unless we get to mid-2019 and there's still no new Ektachrome, I'll be happily waiting and trusting Kodak is working hard to get this stuff released...and not only get it released, but get it released as an excellent product that will push people's desire to shoot slide film to new heights.
The time it is taking to bring Ektachrome back is representative of how much skill and resources Kodak has lost.
That might very well be.
... or it's representative of the difficulty of perfecting a new film, no matter how many brilliant engineers you throw at it.
... or it's representative of management making public promises without understanding engineering challenges and realistic timelines.
... or it's representative of a variety of other issues that might be out of their control.
Or a complex combination of all of the above, which wouldn't surprise me a bit.
Still, I'm happy to see some actual images made with a new Kodak slide film today. Very cool. When it's ready I'll buy plenty of it. Until then I have other slide films to use. It's all good.
Indeed, PE did mention there wasn't anyone involved in Reversal materials anymore, plus the whole ordeal of the downsizing at Kodak. Nor the budget of, say a Gov't contract for a specific material that benefits R&D out of a single project. Good to see it is advancing although they still have to make the jump from pilot coater to B38 full production... and it IIRC isn't easy. Basically paraphrasing the struggles and experience that PE expressed in diverse discussions around here. More appreciation to Ron's insight!This isnt a new film. It's an old one, perhaps with a tweaked formula. The former Kodak would have had the resources to tackled that problem as well as any other issue beyond their control. Easily. Today's Kodak has 6% of the employee base that they used to have. Probably 3% or less when you subtract the core business of commercial printing. Imagine doing your job with 97% less resources.
Indeed, PE did mention there wasn't anyone involved in Reversal materials anymore, plus the whole ordeal of the downsizing at Kodak.
The time it is taking to bring Ektachrome back is representative of how much skill and resources Kodak has lost. It is staggering to consider how they once had over 100,000 people, ALL working on film, to what they are today: 6,000 people, with the vast majority NOT working on film.
In this day and age, where companies routinely release inferior/incomplete products to consumers...am I the only one happy that Kodak is really trying to bring out the best possible product right from the get go?
There's a whole new wave of film photographers that have probably never even shot slide film before. I imagine Kodak is wanting to make sure their first experience hooks them to continue shooting slide. There's also the generations that have shot slide, but perhaps haven't done so in a decade or more. Does Kodak want to release an inferior product to them? Hell no. These types of consumers need the best possible experience from that first roll.
Sure they've missed their targets...but I can't even imagine how difficult it is to resurrect this film. Unless we get to mid-2019 and there's still no new Ektachrome, I'll be happily waiting and trusting Kodak is working hard to get this stuff released...and not only get it released, but get it released as an excellent product that will push people's desire to shoot slide film to new heights.
Indeed, PE did mention there wasn't anyone involved in Reversal materials anymore, plus the whole ordeal of the downsizing at Kodak. Nor the budget of, say a Gov't contract for a specific material that benefits R&D out of a single project. Good to see it is advancing although they still have to make the jump from pilot coater to B38 full production... and it IIRC isn't easy. Basically paraphrasing the struggles and experience that PE expressed in diverse discussions around here. More appreciation to Ron's insight!
Then Ferrania is also taking a huge undertaking with a very small team, although their facility will/should be "right sized".
MIght be a bit wild to say this, but the Palette on those samples have a bit of similarity to Kodachrome and that of a tamer classic Ektachrome. Perhaps they tuned this Ektachrome to cover that ground. Would welcome to see more examples in different light as well as some rolls to shoot!
they are just lousy scans.
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