Kodak Reintroduces Ektachrome.

cmacd123 · Jan 23, 2018

NJH said:
Sorry for more OT.

Have a look at QNX on embedded devices if you want to have some fun and earn money, SIL 3 and ASIL D certified, could be a much more widely known OS in the years ahead for this supposed revolution of IoT.

Again slightly more off topic, QNX is now owned by Blackberry who is marketing it for automotive applications. Another pivot for Blackberry, who apperenty did get their start making a Keycode reader for motion picture film for the National FIlm Board of Canada. hence the original name of "research in Motion" (pictures)

Truzi · Jan 23, 2018

cmacd123, are you suggesting some OSes are the computer equivalent of a Holga? lol.

cmacd123 · Jan 23, 2018

Truzi said:
cmacd123, are you suggesting some OSes are the computer equivalent of a Holga? lol.

I have only used Linux since I am retired - so I don't know what else is out there any-more. there is one that tends to be bundled with new computers which I disliked many versions ago.

Photo Engineer · Jan 23, 2018

cmacd123 said:
Again slightly more off topic, QNX is now owned by Blackberry who is marketing it for automotive applications. Another pivot for Blackberry, who apperenty did get their start making a Keycode reader for motion picture film for the National FIlm Board of Canada. hence the original name of "research in Motion" (pictures)

Kodak Research used QNX for its main system for process control in emulsion making.

PE

twelvetone12 · Jan 24, 2018

You can't really compare Linux and QNX in embedded systems, they are too different beasts with different purposes. In my experience (as an embedded linux developer) one big problem is updating system, generally with linux applications your are stuck with outdated ancient half-baked BSPs from your chip vendor (which generally refuses to give you any docs even under NDA), so many times security updates are just a mirage. Just think of the thousands or adsl modems that still have linux 2.6 (or in some cases... 2.4!), eek!!
(sorry I know all this is still OT...)

keenmaster486 · Jan 24, 2018

(We should maybe fork off this computer discussion into a separate thread...)

Some Linux distros (Ubuntu, ElementaryOS come to mind) are indeed ready for the average end-user.

The only problems are:

1. Stigma and ignorance surrounding Linux; people see it as the "OS that only geeks can use because it's like all just green text on black background and "code" like "dji$38,$$;$8!87ghvj)v?i?hhj8hih?" and stuff and hacking into NASA, right?" And they don't realize that it's what is powering their smartphones, most web servers, their Bluetooth speakers, their toy robot kits, etc...

2. Resistance by a few developers of certain major software suites to tick the "Linux target" box on their compilers and release a Linux version, apparently because it's just too much trouble to make that extra money they'd get from it. (But really because this would spell the end of Microsoft, and we can't have that, can we? No! The bloatware must continue.) Virtualization and WINE solve this to a large extent but not entirely.

On the malware issue: Most desktop-oriented malware attacks rely on the user being stupid enough to click on something fishy. Thus you get the vast majority of infected computers are owned by people who would struggle to use a Rolodex. People like this will never in a million years be caught dead with a Linux system... more likely it's a Windows system that was auto-upgraded to Windows 10 and now the "internet doesn't work" because the wifi chip got switched off and now they can't play their Flash-based adware disguised as a Solitaire game (true story, in many different cases actually)

The downside of this is that, if and when Linux becomes the primary desktop OS, it will also become the primary target of malware peddlers online searching for naive grandmas who will mindlessly and reflexively click on the huge green download button with the floating arrows pointing to it.

JWMster · Jan 24, 2018

As a former Linux user, Linux is NOT without viruses and cyber security issues. It's not a virtue of the system per se that makes security of less interest, it's generally the fact that the targets of interest use different systems. Ditto for Mac's OS.
Try a simple Google of "Linux Virus Cyberattack Malware" and you'll get plenty of hits. Don't be an ostrich with your head in the sand. You are still an opportunity. Protect your machine! Here's reference to the myth that Linux is invulnerable: https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/4-cyber-security-myths-that-must-die/
and here's a sample of what's out there:https://thehackernews.com/2017/01/linux-proxy-malware.html , Good to enjoy free software. Don't get taken or mistaken into thinking you don't need to worry.

keenmaster486 · Jan 24, 2018

Yes, Linux is vulnerable to malware... but it's difficult to infect a Linux machine if you're not downloading the malware in some way. I'll take my chances that I won't accidentally download any relatively rare Linux malware, or that some evil person is for some reason targeting my computer.

fdonadio · Jan 24, 2018

No computer OS is safe from the user — er, I mean, from Trojan Horses.

Said that, let’s get back to Ektachrome, please. Kodak could help us and release the damn thing already!

Diapositivo · Jan 24, 2018

My last installation of Linux was some four years ago. I installed Ubuntu which, ad the time, was supposed to be a hassle-free installation.
The installation did not install the driver for my SATA hard disks, believe it or not. But if I had had only PATA hard disks, it would have worked.
That made my already scarce sympathy for Linux plunge definitively.
A consumer OS must be able to interface with normally available hardware, and the user must not struggle to set the local keyboard (yes, believe it or not, the majority of the world does not use US keyboards).
Linux is good as a server OS, and is a total constant failure as a consumer OS, which is why virus writers do not bother with it.

Wayne · Jan 24, 2018

Diapositivo said:
Linux is good as a server OS, and is a total constant failure as a consumer OS, which is why virus writers do not bother with it.

I guess my 2 years of using only Linux has been a total constant failure then. Good to know.

wyofilm · Jan 24, 2018

Wow! Linux and Ektachrome don't even have a single letter in common.

chris77 · Jan 24, 2018

wyofilm said:
Wow! Linux and Ektachrome don't even have a single letter in common.

Cholentpot · Jan 24, 2018

wyofilm said:
Wow! Linux and Ektachrome don't even have a single letter in common.

Yes they do.

They will be used by a minority of users and the users will tout the awesomeness of them and how they are mile above the standard ignoring the shortcomings and learning curves.

braxus · Jan 28, 2018

Wow you guys are so far off topic. Pages spent on computer stuff and not Ektachrome. Slow night at the office?

wyofilm · Jan 28, 2018

braxus said:
Slow night at the office?

Slow night (and days) and Kodak! I'm giving Ektachrome still film a 1 in 3 chance of release...ever. There. That should get us back on track.

trendland · Jan 29, 2018

wyofilm said:
Slow night (and days) and Kodak! I'm giving Ektachrome still film a 1 in 3 chance of release...ever. There. That should get us back on track.

Do you mean you do slow down day and
night at work ???
Well Ektachrome is out now but you're not allowed to buy Ektachrome yet .
So you have to wait a bit for a further while.

with regards

PS : And don't let your boss hear about.

wyofilm · Jan 29, 2018

trendland said:
Do you mean you do slow down day and
night at work ???
Well Ektachrome is out now but you're not allowed to buy Ektachrome yet .
So you have to wait a bit for a further while.

with regards

PS : And don't let your boss hear about.

Of course I slow down day and night at work! How else do I find time to write about whether or not Ektachrome will come back! I have no special knowledge of the inner workings of any of the Kodak companies. Therefore, I really don't when or ever Ektacrhome will be available again.

By the way, IMHO Ektachrome is not 'out' until it is for sale. And since I have nothing riding on it, I'll keep to my 1:3 odds that it will ever happen!

George Mann · Jan 30, 2018

Have any samples of it been posted yet?

AgX · Jan 30, 2018

No sample films for testing have been issued.

Photo Engineer · Jan 30, 2018

Are you sure?

PE

trendland · Jan 30, 2018

wyofilm said:
Of course I slow down day and night at work! How else do I find time to write about whether or not Ektachrome will come back! I have no special knowledge of the inner workings of any of the Kodak companies. Therefore, I really don't when or ever Ektacrhome will be available again.

By the way, IMHO Ektachrome is not 'out' until it is for sale. And since I have nothing riding on it, I'll keep to my 1:3 odds that it will ever happen!

Am I allowed to bet 10:1 against you?
What is the betting quote then ?
That's like high mathematics hmm ?
YOUR 1:3 is a relative high risc - better save your money for Ektachrome !

with regards

trendland · Jan 30, 2018

braxus said:
Wow you guys are so far off topic. Pages spent on computer stuff and not Ektachrome. Slow night at the office?

.....

....we will turn everything to the good

jim10219 · Jan 30, 2018

I'm a bit confused. So which developer had the most contrast and acutance with Ektachrome? Was is Linux or QNX? After 38 pages, I kind of zoned out.

wyofilm · Jan 30, 2018

trendland said:
Am I allowed to bet 10:1 against you?
What is the betting quote then ?
That's like high mathematics hmm ?
YOUR 1:3 is a relative high risc - better save your money for Ektachrome !

with regards

Unless you are more in the know (which is very possible), then your 10:1 is about as sound as my 3:1. With that said, I dearly want Ektacrhome to succeed. Heck, I want ALL film endeavors to succeed. A good roll (pun intended) out would go along way to helping the currently poor perception of Kodak (whichever one), even if it isn't a huge monetary success. I am hoping the delays really are supply oriented and that they didn't promise a product without really knowing if they could do it.

As I understand it, they built smaller machines that can more efficiently handle smaller production runs of film. If true, this would be exciting of course, because production could finally match demand. Maybe even Fuji is watching.

On the other hand, if Kodak botches this, then the press will absolutely eat them alive. Kodak can survive poor sales of this film. Even poor sales could still garner them public confidence. They can't survive a failure to bring Ektachrome to market. To my mind, I am not overstating this. The perception (along with their recent bungles) would be catastrophic. "Look!, Kodak can't even do film." I do hope they realize that they must be all in on a quality Ektachrome product, whether the sales are any good or not.

I was a kid living in Rochester, when my mother worked for Xerox as a chemist. Times change, markets change, and companies cease to exist, but the historical dignity of companies like Xerox and Kodak shouldn't be destroyed by present-day nincompoops. The companies of Rochester (and elsewhere) made the US and much of the world - for the better.

Kodak! Bring out this film!

(rant over, please return to regular programing.)

trendland · Jan 31, 2018

wyofilm said:
Unless you are more in the know (which is very possible), then your 10:1 is about as sound as my 3:1. With that said, I dearly want Ektacrhome to succeed. Heck, I want ALL film endeavors to succeed. A good roll (pun intended) out would go along way to helping the currently poor perception of Kodak (whichever one), even if it isn't a huge monetary success. I am hoping the delays really are supply oriented and that they didn't promise a product without really knowing if they could do it.

As I understand it, they built smaller machines that can more efficiently handle smaller production runs of film. If true, this would be exciting of course, because production could finally match demand. Maybe even Fuji is watching.

On the other hand, if Kodak botches this, then the press will absolutely eat them alive. Kodak can survive poor sales of this film. Even poor sales could still garner them public confidence. They can't survive a failure to bring Ektachrome to market. To my mind, I am not overstating this. The perception (along with their recent bungles) would be catastrophic. "Look!, Kodak can't even do film." I do hope they realize that they must be all in on a quality Ektachrome product, whether the sales are any good or not.

I was a kid living in Rochester, when my mother worked for Xerox as a chemist. Times change, markets change, and companies cease to exist, but the historical dignity of companies like Xerox and Kodak shouldn't be destroyed by present-day nincompoops. The companies of Rochester (and elsewhere) made the US and much of the world - for the better.

Kodak! Bring out this film!

(rant over, please return to regular programing.)

Kodak isn't able to stop Ektachrome.
They can't bring the gost back into the bottle. May be their intention was to calculate the complete relaunch program in other ways - caused from changet market (and company situation) since Jan. 2017.
Notice : Fuji has no intern problems while stating they will stop their whole film portfolio during 2019. And (I beliefe) they will do it soon as possible.

The Ektachrome films from first production run are into the resricted and secret market.
So what is a secret market ? It is a test phase from marketing to find out how the film should be priced and be served via stores. The tecnical issues should have been finnished long before.

with regards

PS : I have No test films - but look at PE's statement above.
Possible PE has some new Ektachromes -
but (in any case) he would not tell us - I could imagine. .....

Kodak Reintroduces Ektachrome.

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