Kodak No. 2-C Autographic Jr.

[dennisl]

I was recently given the gift of a Kodak no. 2C Autographic Jr. folding camera. With a little research, I found that it took 130 film. The film format for this model is 2 7/8 by 4 7/8. I have two questions:

1) Does anyone know of a source that spools 130 film and develops it?

2) The aperture ring does not have f-stops but rather the numbers 1, 2, 3, and 4. Can anyone help me with this aperture system?

Thanks in advance for any help offered,
Dennis Smith

 

[Whiteymorange]

Can't help you with the 130 film, but the 1 2 3 4 aperture numbers are f11, 16, 22, and 32 if it's the same as the No. 2 Cartridge Premo with a single meniscus lens behind the shutter. This site is about Brownies, but has a lot of good Kodak info. If you can't get 130 film, try making a mask out of something like aluminum flashing, painted black, and try it with 120 film.

 

[europanorama]

I was recently given the gift of a Kodak no. 2C Autographic Jr. folding camera. With a little research, I found that it took 130 film. The film format for this model is 2 7/8 by 4 7/8. I have two questions:

1) Does anyone know of a source that spools 130 film and develops it?

2) The aperture ring does not have f-stops but rather the numbers 1, 2, 3, and 4. Can anyone help me with this aperture system?

Thanks in advance for any help offered,
Dennis Smith

There are three versions. seen butkus manual
2. film 70mm film can be used on spool and donor-left side only. 130 spool on takeup-side. 4.6m-28 images. thinner film 0.1mm 6.5m or even longer if thinner. no protection. transporting with special rotations. in testing.
3. 120 film can be used get. 130-120 spools. camerahack.it one seller.

 

[stephenrecker]

There are three versions. seen butkus manual
2. film 70mm film can be used on spool and donor-left side only. 130 spool on takeup-side. 4.6m-28 images. thinner film 0.1mm 6.5m or even longer if thinner. no protection. transporting with special rotations. in testing.
3. 120 film can be used get. 130-120 spools. camerahack.it one seller.

I am looking for an uncut reel of exposed 130 negatives. Please let me know if you can help me out. Thanks.

 

[Romanko]

James Harr made a video on making film for type 122 cameras:

You should be able to do something similar for type 130.
I only have cut negatives from a roll of Verichrome that I developed a couple of years ago. If you need to know the film width and length I can help with that.

 

[stephenrecker]

Thanks. Yes, exact measurements in mm would be helpful. Thanks.

 

[Romanko]

Film width: 75.5 mm (Kodak Verichrome FPK 2C-6 V130-6)
Film length (6 exposures): ~890 mm;
Backing paper width: ~79 mm (*);
Full length of baking paper: 2035 mm;
Distance between the internal surfaces of the spool ends: 80 mm;

* This was hard to measure as the backing paper on my roll is in poor condition. 79 mm seems too narrow, I would try 81 or even 82 mm width if you are making your own backing paper as in James' video.

The spool ends are identical to type 116 (but NOT 616). Type 116 spools are much easier to find than type 130. If you manage to find a wooden core 116 spool you can use the ends and make a longer core from a wooden dowel. Alternatively, you can cut a metal type 116 spool in two halves and extend the core with whatever materials you have at hand (I would probably insert a tube/ rod inside and epoxy it in place).

Good luck with your project and please report your progress here.

 

[Romanko]

Pacific Rim Camera in Oregon seem to have a few rolls of unexposed Verichrome 130, expired in the 1950s. You might still be able to get images from this ancient film. Unfortunately, one roll will probably cost more than your camera.

 

[MattKing]

Does anyone know whether historic backing paper - such as 130 film backing paper - has the same thickness characteristics as the modern 120 backing paper?
In particular, being thicker in the middle than at the edges?

 

[Dustin McAmera]

I seriously doubt they made backing papers in all the different widths that roll film used to exist, with characteristics that varied across the width.
Another question is whether Autographic backing paper was the same as that for normal film. It has to allow the film to acquire the autographic text, when exposed through the backing paper and a special carbon paper. So I suspect it would be less light-proof than what we use now.

Autographic - Camera-wiki.org - The free camera encyclopedia

camera-wiki.org

Kodak roll-film & film-packs - Antique and Vintage Cameras

 

[Romanko]

I have a roll of Autographic film of type 120. The backing paper looks similar to Verichrome except for a layer of black paint or coating that made Verichrome light-proof.
You can shoot non-Autographic film in Kodak Autographic. I am not sure how the numbers on the backing paper work, they must be further apart on Autographic film to allow for the labels. I am going to investigate this.

 

[Romanko]

The spacing between frame numbers on Autographic type 120 is 95 mm compared to 93 mm on Verichrome. The frame length on my Kodal Autographic Junior is 82 mm. It is roughly the same on Kodak Hawk-Eye (83 mm) while Goerz Tenax has 87 mm long frame. It appears Kodak both added spacing between the frames and made the frames slightly shorter for Autographic.