Kodak LORR Starter and Replenisher workflow

[Radost]

The bottles have AB I'm pretty sure this is old stuff. Made prior to Covid and the apparent collapse of Sino Promise. I wonder if Wuxi China plant is still going? I will use this, no worries.

I doubt the date is fake. My date is 220103

 

[Radost]

I think those are best before dates, not manufacturing dates - No AB on the code. The sale of that business segment to Sino Promise completed November 1, 2020.

AB is date of manufacturing.

 

[MattKing]

AB is date of manufacturing.

Yes, and that code lacks any AB - thus my guess.

 

[MattKing]

I doubt the date is fake. My date is 220103

You earlier indicated that your bottle had a code of 03012022AB.
Is the code actually 220103, or is it 220103AB?
I'm just gathering information to aid in understanding the situation - not wanting to challenge.

 

[MattKing]

The bottles have AB I'm pretty sure this is old stuff. Made prior to Covid and the apparent collapse of Sino Promise. I wonder if Wuxi China plant is still going? I will use this, no worries.

I've recently started seeing new black and white products on local store shelves. Kodak branded, but Sino-Promise small print labelling. Some manufactured in China, some in Germany.

 

[mshchem]

I've recently started seeing new black and white products on local store shelves. Kodak branded, but Sino-Promise small print labelling. Some manufactured in China, some in Germany.

That's good to hear.

 

[Radost]

You earlier indicated that your bottle had a code of 03012022AB.
Is the code actually 220103, or is it 220103AB?
I'm just gathering information to aid in understanding the situation - not wanting to challenge.

220103AB
Date of manufacturing.

 

[MattKing]

I think those are best before dates, not manufacturing dates - No AB on the code. The sale of that business segment to Sino Promise completed November 1, 2020.

I now see the AB on the bottle. I had missed it when I saw the code on the box.

 

[mshchem]

Everything Kodak color chemistry I have used for the last 10 years came from a plant originally built by Eastman Kodak Wuxi , sold during the bankruptcy, this plant continued to provide Kodak Alaris.

From our date codes it appears to be Sino Promise made color chemistry.

 

[MattKing]

From our date codes it appears to be Sino Promise made color chemistry.

Or some entity related to Sino Promise.
And/or the same entity that was manufacturing for Kodak Alaris, but is now manufacturing for Sino Promise.
Sadly, we are in a world where very often the product's name and the product's manufacturer are only related through contract.

 

[Radost]

You should be safe in doubling both the number of rolls before incrementing the time and the total number before discarding the tank solution.

Of course, with LORR replenishment, you can process about twice as many rolls before you use up a liter of replenisher. After one liter of replenisher, therefore, you're about even with reusing the solution and extending time; continue replenishing, however, and you start to save significantly -- your one liter of startup (which actually needs only about 3/4 liter of replenisher plus some starter and water) plus two liters of replenisher can do more than sixty rolls (vs. ~48 done as above -- accounting for each liter of working solution using only about 3/4 liter of replenisher to mix), and by the time you've used up the 4+ liters of replenisher left from the original 5L package after mixing a liter of tank solution, you'll have processed close to 130 rolls (vs. ~75 rolls with reused and extended development as above).

Of course, Kodak recommends keeping the replenisher for a maximum of six months, but in good storage (wine bags, Stop Loss bags, etc.) it'll last longer than that. A year is conservative if your storage is impermeable to oxygen. And PET bottles upcycled from soft drinks work great for storing the tank solution.

How long would unopened concentrate last?
Still have the 2022 manufactured unopened.

I have had Developer “without starter in a stop loss bag for 2 1/2 years.
It should be still good right?

 

[koraks]

How long would unopened concentrate last?

This is a 3-part concentrate, right? One of them is a smaller bottle than the other two. What color is the liquid inside?

 

[Radost]

Chems

2 1/2 Lorr Developer stored without Developer starter

 

[mshchem]

The unopened stuff is OK. Not sure about the working solution.

 

[Radost]

The unopened stuff is OK. Not sure about the working solution.

You don't think C is too yellow?

 

[mshchem]

You don't think C is too yellow?

If it's a factory sealed bottle I wouldn't worry one bit. Don't let go of that starter as You need to buy a case (minimum) these days. Cinestill/Kodak/ seems not interested in supplying less than case sizes of some of these things. Maybe Unique would break up a case but I doubt it.

Test strips when in doubt.

 

[koraks]

You don't think C is too yellow?

Your C looks just fine, really. If this part goes bad, it looks virtually black - or actually a really, really deep shade of purple if you hold it against a strong light. Yours is straw colored which is perfect.

I expect your kit will work like new.

 

[Radost]

Your C looks just fine, really. If this part goes bad, it looks virtually black - or actually a really, really deep shade of purple if you hold it against a strong light. Yours is straw colored which is perfect.

I expect your kit will work like new.

Thank you so much.
What do you think about the 2 years old developer without starter in stop loss bag?

 

[koraks]

Start should be very stable even under suboptimal conditions. Yours is likely fine.

 

[Radost]

Start should be very stable even under suboptimal conditions. Yours is likely fine.

Thank you.
I was thinking more the unstated developer color in the stop Los bag.

 

[koraks]

Sorry, I misread the caption, that was sloppy of me. That developer looks OK to me. It's a little darker than I usually allow it to become, but I doubt you'll be able to see a difference in negatives developed with this developer vs. fresh developer.

 

[Radost]

Thank You so much! Your input is always highly appreciated

 

[koraks]

You're welcome, hope it helps!