Kodak Flexicolor 20L developer replenisher 3667805 mixing instructions?

[reelquickfilmlab]

Hello, I foolishly threw away my developer replenisher box, and am having difficultly finding the mixing instructions online for the 20L kit. Does anyone have this information? and if possible in 5L increments?

Thanks

 

[reelquickfilmlab]

Nevermind this. I figured out the ratio but my negatives have been coming out thin after developement and initally thought it was the mixing ratio.

 

[mshchem]

The instructions are on the label of the starter. Kodak puts the volume of the individual components on the replenisher labels just divide by 4. You really need to decant into small bottles (full glass) if you're going to split. I have stored mixed replenisher in absolutely full glass 1 qt bottles for 6 months. Only add starter and water when ready to use 1 shot.

 

[reelquickfilmlab]

The instructions are on the label of the starter. Kodak puts the volume of the individual components on the replenisher labels just divide by 4. You really need to decant into small bottles (full glass) if you're going to split. I have stored mixed replenisher in absolutely full glass 1 qt bottles for 6 months. Only add starter and water when ready to use 1 shot.

So I just checked the instructions and I mixed the starter with the replenisher to make a working tank solution correctly. 860ml repleshier -> 18ml starter LORR -> 122ml water.

Should I share my negatives? I seem to have done the mixing ratios correctly but still have thin negatives.

 

[mshchem]

So I just checked the instructions and I mixed the starter with the replenisher to make a working tank solution correctly. 860ml repleshier -> 18ml starter LORR -> 122ml water.

Should I share my negatives? I seem to have done the mixing ratios correctly but still have thin negatives.

That sounds correct. Are you sure about the temperature? Cell phone snaps of negatives are helpful

 

[reelquickfilmlab]

That sounds correct. Are you sure about the temperature? Cell phone snaps of negatives are helpful

I have been developing at 102F in a jobo cpe 2. I did try a batch at 105F but results were the same.

Top negatives are the recent batch and the bottom is a previous batch before I mixed these.

 

[mshchem]

Looks like the pics of the old Impala are underexposed. Hard to tell.

I run 3'15" @ 100°F in a Jobo.

 

[reelquickfilmlab]

Looks like the pics of the old Impala are underexposed. Hard to tell.

I run 3'15" @ 100°F in a Jobo.

That's what I was thinking but multiple rolls in the same batch are also like this. Also when looking at the borders they are also thin. Can that be due to underexposure?

 

[MattKing]

To me, the bottom strip looks over-developed, while the top strip looks under-developed and/or under-exposed.

 

[sillo]

From Z131 section regarding rotary processing

"In some rotary-tube processors, maintaining the developer temperature at 37.8 ± 0.15°C (100 ±0.25°F) can be difficult, and often some loss of developer temperature occurs. The amount of developer-temperature loss can vary based on the design of the rotary-tube processor and the ambient conditions. Since the developer is the most critical step in the process, compensating for developer-temperature loss will help to optimize the performance of the process and improve the quality of the processed film. The best way to compensate for loss of developer temperature is by increasing the developer time (from the standard time of 3:15). The amount of developer-time extension can be determined approximately by the visual appearance of the density of processed film. The preferred method for determining the exact amount of developer-time extension required is to use KODAK Controls Strips. Process C-41 to monitor the process... Usually an adjusted developer time that produces good control-strip densities falls somewhere between 3:15 and 3:45."

 

[koraks]

Bottom strip looks normal, top strip is underdeveloped. Check your mixing ratios, verify developer pH and keep a close eye on developer temperature, processing time & agitation.

Also when looking at the borders they are also thin. Can that be due to underexposure?

No, that's the give-away that the top strip is underdeveloped.

To me, the bottom strip looks over-developed,

Not to me, but I admit it's always hard to judge based on a scan with no absolute density benchmark. But going by what scanners 'generally' produce (debatable statement...), I would guess that the bottom strip is pretty much normal, also given shadow differentiation and how the highlights look.

 

[MattKing]

On my other screen, the bottom strip looks okay
Which is merely to point out the vagaries involved in these sort of discussions!

 

[koraks]

Yes, these are the woes of judging real things from digital screens!

 

[reelquickfilmlab]

I think it may be the first mixture with the starter since the bottom negatives are four batches in a previous mix of flexicolor. I had the same issue with the negatives coming out thin in that first batch but after a few batches the negatives are more developed.

I am using the recommended tank solution mixture from kodak. (On page 5)

https://125px.com/docs/techpubs/kodak/cis49-2009_12.pdf

 

[sillo]

The tank solution mixing instructions for the regular flexicolor replenisher are not correct anymore since the starter listed is no longer available.

 

[reelquickfilmlab]

The tank solution mixing instructions for the regular flexicolor replenisher are not correct anymore since the starter listed is no longer available.

Here is the starter I am using. Someone from another forum had posted the mixing instructions for the flexicolor color replenisher. (3667805). I mixed it into 5L ratios by dividing by 4.

I have tried both mixtures for the starter but both have produced thin negatives.

 

[reelquickfilmlab]

Here is the starter I am using. Someone from another forum had posted the mixing instructions for the flexicolor kit I have (3667805). I mixed it into 5L ratios by dividing by 4.

I have tried both mixtures on the back but both have produced thin negatives.

The both mixing instructions.

 

[sillo]

Yeah the box is correct, cis49 is out of date.

 

[destroya]

I found my mixing instruction, but I have the formula for 1L, so x5. this is for replenisher as I have a working solution, but it should be easy to figure out how much starter to use. Can't remember which kodak doc I got the info from, sorry. this is for kodak flexicolor developer 20L Manufacturer #: 3667805 same as what you asked about

https://www.uniquephoto.com/product/kodakc41entwicklerflxclrdevrrplr3667805/_/searchString/flexicolor

A) 64ml
B) 10ml
C) 10ml

water to 1 liter,
so for 5L,

A) 320ml
B) 50ml
C) 50ml

water to 5 liter

john

 

[reelquickfilmlab]

I found my mixing instruction, but I have the formula for 1L, so x5. this is for replenisher as I have a working solution, but it should be easy to figure out how much starter to use. Can't remember which kodak doc I got the info from, sorry. this is for kodak flexicolor developer 20L Manufacturer #: 3667805 same as what you asked about

https://www.uniquephoto.com/product/kodakc41entwicklerflxclrdevrrplr3667805/_/searchString/flexicolor

A) 64ml
B) 10ml
C) 10ml

water to 1 liter,
so for 5L,

A) 320ml
B) 50ml
C) 50ml

water to 5 liter

john

Pardon my confusion but the part A of the dev replenisher bottle for the 20L kit has a net content of 1.5 liters.

If this is the same kit and part A for 1 liter is 64ml wouldn't 64ml x 20 give you 1,280. Shouldn't it equal 1.5 if it's the same ratio? I just want to be absolutely correct before I mix any more chemicals.

Thank you

 

[Sonynolta User]

Pardon my confusion but the part A of the dev replenisher bottle for the 20L kit has a net content of 1.5 liters.

If this is the same kit and part A for 1 liter is 64ml wouldn't 64ml x 20 give you 1,280. Shouldn't it equal 1.5 if it's the same ratio? I just want to be absolutely correct before I mix any more chemicals.

Thank you

Good question. But I wonder if he's doing tank solution strength (86%) developer, to which you also need to add starter. 1500*.86 does equal 1290. Which the jugs dumped straight into water to make 20L is replenisher strength solution.

I think. But I could be wrong.

 

[destroya]

Good question. But I wonder if he's doing tank solution strength (86%) developer, to which you also need to add starter. 1500*.86 does equal 1290. Which the jugs dumped straight into water to make 20L is replenisher strength solution.

I think. But I could be wrong.

yep, i now mix up replenisher strength batches as I have my working strength developer already mixed, in a 2 liter size, so what Sonynolta user states is what I do. I mentioned this in my post but I guess I wasn't clear enough. how should I have worded it to make it clearer ( this is a serious question, not a sarcastic one)?

john

 

[reelquickfilmlab]

I found my mixing instruction, but I have the formula for 1L, so x5. this is for replenisher as I have a working solution, but it should be easy to figure out how much starter to use. Can't remember which kodak doc I got the info from, sorry. this is for kodak flexicolor developer 20L Manufacturer #: 3667805 same as what you asked about

https://www.uniquephoto.com/product/kodakc41entwicklerflxclrdevrrplr3667805/_/searchString/flexicolor

A) 64ml
B) 10ml
C) 10ml

water to 1 liter,
so for 5L,

A) 320ml
B) 50ml
C) 50ml

water to 5 liter

john

I see, I think the part in red is what confused me. I thought you were stating that the below was the mixture for the replenisher only.

 

[destroya]

I see, I think the part in red is what confused me. I thought you were stating that the below was the mixture for the replenisher only.

yeh, the formula i listed is was for the replenisher only. so you did get what I wrote the way I intended.

 

[reelquickfilmlab]

yeh, the formula i listed is was for the replenisher only. so you did get what I wrote the way I intended.

So you add starter to the replenisher separately before you mix a working solution? I thought you only needed starter when making a working solution for the first time with the replenisher.