Kodak EPY and EPP officially discontinued

[brianmquinn]

Elite Chrome 200 is back in stock at B&H.

 

[ajuk]

Tungsten films were mostly used by commercial photographers. These people, long before digital came out, had switched to using strobes instead of tungsten lights; digital just put the last nail in the coffin for tungsten film.

I've had great results with an 80b filter at night.

The only advantage I can see with tungsten film would be finer grain in the yellow and red channels, oh and apparently less reciprocity failure, so it wouldn't go green like Ektar?

The only tungsten film that I would be interested in is something faster, there have been a few threads about this, daylight 800 and 1600 speed colour film, the words chocolate and Teapot come to mind!

 

[erikg]

chocolate and teapot?

 

[cmacd123]

And, the R&D of the first two has no bearing on the second two. If E6 were to go totally, then the reversal MP products would likely go as well.

Since Video News film was discontinued, the stock sold for colour reversal motion picture use is film originally designed for still use. Kodak puts a bit of money into it as they DO want film schools to use film.

 

[cmacd123]

VNF film is still sold and Kodak has posted the process chemistry for it. The film occupies a tiny niche market.
PE

VNF died a couple of years ago! the last big market for it was Crash tests, and the regulations changed so that they are sing digital now. The chemistry (VNF) is no longer available from Rochester.

 

[Photo Engineer]

VNF died a couple of years ago! the last big market for it was Crash tests, and the regulations changed so that they are sing digital now. The chemistry (VNF) is no longer available from Rochester.

If you read following posts, you would see that I erred due to old data and was corrected. You are several days late.

Sorry.

As for E6 products, their production still declines at a rapid rate regardless.

PE

 

[clayne]

Okay vent-fest...

The most frustrating part of all these discontinuations is that it feels as if one is being beaten into digital submission (a 1000 cuts) by some invisible force.

That force of course is the "market" - or as I like to think about it: people who know nothing of photography but want those images flying out of the camera like hotcakes. Camera, sorry... computer manufacturers wouldn't want anything else. The days of corporations producing solid products that last have been over since the 80s. Ever since they figured out how to mass-produce plastic and ICs we've had nothing but planned obsolescence crammed down our throats. The most tragic part is that there are entire generations of kids and young adults who don't know any better. They see it as normal while older adults and old-timers have been around long enough to know BS when they see it.

Why does the average consumer, these days, not actually care enough to purchase products that last? (semi-rhetorical)

 

[2F/2F]

Why does the average consumer, these days, not actually care enough to purchase products that last? (semi-rhetorical)

You are sounding like a dirty socialist. Quit putting society and humanity first, you scum! Quit acting like it matters one bit!

What you state is exactly what has been encouraged by "The Government" rolleyes:...as if there is such "A Single Thing") for the past 40+ years. This is what our politicians have pushed for for most of (or all of) most of our lives.

My quick and sarcastic answers to your question are: Lee Harvey Oswald, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and all the others responsible for radical political shifts and for selling to us the bloodthirsty and rampant economic and social behavior of the past half decade. It is what happens when you put the growth of huge business above all else for 50 years. Good things die, and crap emerges. Society is left stupid, helpless, and in a state of de facto anarchy.

 

[ajuk]

chocolate and teapot?

About as much use as a chocolate teapot.

Oh and BTW I have one to add to the list for people suffering from RAS syndrome "VNF film"

 

[WolfTales]

Well what are the alternatives? Efke and communism?

 

[cmacd123]

If you read following posts, you would see that I erred due to old data and was corrected. You are several days late.

Sorry, I was reading in chronological order, and did not wait long enough to post.

Has anyone heard what the discontinuance of the 64T will do to Super8? Many super 8 camera were having enough trouble with 64T (when they expected 40T) If they have only 100D many more will be out of work.

Shooting Super 8 on Negative basically means shooting Video as the only way to get a chemical print would be to blow-up to 16mm or have the lab slit and perf print stock by cutting down from 16 or 35.

 

[nickandre]

Sorry, I was reading in chronological order, and did not wait long enough to post.

Has anyone heard what the discontinuance of the 64T will do to Super8? Many super 8 camera were having enough trouble with 64T (when they expected 40T) If they have only 100D many more will be out of work.

Shooting Super 8 on Negative basically means shooting Video as the only way to get a chemical print would be to blow-up to 16mm or have the lab slit and perf print stock by cutting down from 16 or 35.

There's a lab that prints super-8 negative stock if you're interested.

 

[jpberger]

One thing that has been happening between Fuji and Kodak is that their respective E-6 films do not compete as directly as in the past. When I ask the reps about this, I get a smile, but no direct reply. My contacts at Kodak also dodge the question, though I did get one authoritative reply of "it makes sense to follow that direction". So if a film goes away at Kodak, then I suggest trying something near that from Fuji.

We might wonder if Kodak still sells a greater volume of E-6 films than Fujifilm. Pure speculation, but I could imagine that if Fujifilm greatly exceed Kodak in this realm at some point in the future, then Fuji might become the only volume maker of E-6 films.

I've wondered if there's a bit of collusion in the film biz these days with F and K agreeing to focus on what they do best, which could might also explain the attempt to axe 800z earlier this year. Somehow I doubt it's that simple however.

 

[Photo Engineer]

Marketplace dictates more than anything. Fuji sells little B&W paper in the US for example. Fuji sells more reversal film than EK, and EK sells more MP film than Fuji.

PE

 

[ajuk]

Fuji make B&W paper?

 

[perkeleellinen]

http://www.japanexposures.com/shop/index.php?cPath=30

 

[B&Wpositive]

Hopefully this loss of EPP and EPY is the last Kodak film loss for a very long time.

 

[2F/2F]

Hopefully this loss of EPP and EPY is the last Kodak film loss for a very long time.

It had better be. They don't have much else.

My best guess is that the consumer slide films will be the next to go, or maybe 400VC. I would say that, tragically, 400NC in 4x5 format will not last very long either. What a bloody shame.....it is the only 400 speed color film available in sheets. Hopefully we get that Rollei 800 speed color neg film in sheets some time soon.....

 

[Ektagraphic]

EPP and EPY were films that you could use to be uniform in mulitple formats..135, 120, 4X5....But E100G and E100VS are currently the same way but E100VS is still available in 220.

 

[DanielStone]

It had better be. They don't have much else.

My best guess is that the consumer slide films will be the next to go, or maybe 400VC. I would say that, tragically, 400NC in 4x5 format will not last very long either. What a bloody shame.....it is the only 400 speed color film available in sheets. Hopefully we get that Rollei 800 speed color neg film in sheets some time soon.....

double DITTO this!!!! 400vc has become my go-to for color available light work lately, it's great!!!!

-Dan

 

[Ektagraphic]

What makes you say 400VC is going?

 

[2F/2F]

I did not say that it is going...not at all. I said: "My best guess is that the consumer slide films will be the next to go, or maybe 400VC."

 

[Ektagraphic]

Then let me rephrase that...What would make you guess that 400VC would go?

 

[Alex Bishop-Thorpe]

We're just getting into speculation now gents, which only takes one person to misinterpret your words and turn it into a rumour that 400VC has been discontinued in all formats and you should brush up on your autochromes.

 

[HerrBremerhaven]

Definitely not just some film products that Kodak are trimming. Check out this news item about OLED display technology:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0415667320091204?type=marketsNews

While part of that was due to a dispute with LG, the exact terms of the deal are not available. The coating technology Kodak has developed is used to make OLED displays. Fujifilm also make OLED displays, though it now looks that they will be one up on Kodak in this regard, but with an eye towards giant LG.

At one time OLED technology might have been another use for coating equipment. I have to wonder at this point how much use Kodak will need for that same gear. Unless Kodak decides to start running a paper mill, or buys into another US company paper mill, I wonder where they expect to grow future revenues. Definitely film products are still a good revenue and profit source, even if they are not growing, but other than commercial printing products Kodak are nearly left without any potential future growth. This is the legacy of Antonio Perez.