Kodak Eastman 5222 Double-X variants?

sperera · Feb 12, 2019

Hi there....I'm going to shoot 16mm motion picture Eastman Double X on my Aaton camera for a project and I wanted to get hold of a roll of 35mm and shoot it to see what it looks like before I roll camera......

I see two options available to buy......one is the Cinestill BWXX

and the other is packaged as Kodak Eastman DOUBLE-X 5222

...are they both the same film just sold by different vendors?

sperera · Feb 12, 2019

OK other information I have is this film is best used with D-96. This is what Cinelab London use in their BW bath for the motion picture industry. Obviously 'best' is interpretive but Im going with D96 cos Im doing a test with the film as I mentioned......

lantau · Feb 12, 2019

It's the same. AFAIK Kodak doesn't do any other b/w cinefilm. I bought a couple of rolls from a shop in HK a few years ago. They put on a printed label similar to your second option. About €5 each, which is expensive enough and half of what Cinestill charge.

It worked nicely in D76. Doesn't D96 simply produce somewhat reduced contrast?

sperera · Feb 12, 2019

Thanks for the reply....I dont know the D-96 developer at all...Im an Xtol user......reduced contrast is what I want really as I can dial that in to taste in post

lantau · Feb 12, 2019

sperera said:
Thanks for the reply....I dont know the D-96 developer at all...Im an Xtol user......reduced contrast is what I want really as I can dial that in to taste in post

Oh, I thought you know it. I believe it's the Motion Picture version of D76.

Kino · Feb 12, 2019

D96 : http://jeffreysoper.com/node/112

Process to a gamma of .65 for "normal" development in motion picture terms. If you use anything else as a developer, you'll get unrealistic results AND you'll not find a lab that will dump 350 gallons of developer and mix custom for you unless you have 10 or 20 grand to splash-out for giggles...

Check the 5222 spec sheet for time and temp in developer.

When in doubt, go to the source... https://www.kodak.com/motion/suppor...ocessing_manuals/h24_modules_online/index.htm

howardpan · Feb 12, 2019

It’s the same film. I roll mine by hand from a 400 ft roll. I have developed using D76 1+1 and Rodinal 1+50 and made nice prints in the darkroom. There is no remjet on the film so you can develop it just like any other black and white film negative.

sperera · Feb 12, 2019

Thanks for this very useful post......indeed Cinelab London use D-96 so it has to be that

Kino said:
D96 : http://jeffreysoper.com/node/112

Process to a gamma of .65 for "normal" development in motion picture terms. If you use anything else as a developer, you'll get unrealistic results AND you'll not find a lab that will dump 350 gallons of developer and mix custom for you unless you have 10 or 20 grand to splash-out for giggles...

Check the 5222 spec sheet for time and temp in developer.

When in doubt, go to the source... https://www.kodak.com/motion/suppor...ocessing_manuals/h24_modules_online/index.htm

Pentode · Feb 12, 2019

I’ve been shooting this in 35mm as still film and I like it a lot in D-76 1:1 but, as Kino points out, if you develop cine film the way you would stills the results won’t be very nice. If you try a roll of 35mm and shoot stills to see how this film looks you won’t really get an accurate comparison since cine would be developed to a lower contrast for transferring.

sperera · Feb 12, 2019

Hi Pentode....I'm geting the Double X + D96 developer + the Kodak fixer F5 from Nick + Trick in the UK (lovely people) and I am developing and scanning the film myself albeit not on an Arriscan like Cinelab London use, producing log 10 bit dpx files.....but on my Hasselblad Imacon 646 scanner....will this not give me the same look....ish

Pentode said:
I’ve been shooting this in 35mm as still film and I like it a lot in D-76 1:1 but, as Kino points out, if you develop cine film the way you would stills the results won’t be very nice. If you try a roll of 35mm and shoot stills to see how this film looks you won’t really get an accurate comparison since cine would be developed to a lower contrast for transferring.

pbromaghin · Feb 12, 2019

From the Massive Development Chart:

Eastman Double-X (5222) - Xtol stock iso 250 7 minutes @68F
Eastman Double-X (5222) - Xtol 1+1 iso 250 10 minutes @68F

It has recommendations for lots of different developers.

Pentode · Feb 12, 2019

sperera said:
Hi Pentode....I'm geting the Double X + D96 developer + the Kodak fixer F5 from Nick + Trick in the UK (lovely people) and I am developing and scanning the film myself albeit not on an Arriscan like Cinelab London use, producing log 10 bit dpx files.....but on my Hasselblad Imacon 646 scanner....will this not give me the same look....ish

Yes, under those circumstances I believe it would.
It had not even occurred to me you'd be scanning the processed film.

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