APUG does seem hostile to Kodak.
The overwhelming tone is anti-Kodak and has been for quite some time.
I agree with the comment that people seem to want to see Kodak leave analog so they can say "I told you so". How many of you would work for little or no pay? Kodak will not and when customers go to less expensive products, then Kodak stops making theirs.
Remember that many of these smaller companies did not have to do R&D on Dektol, HC110, XTOL, Liquid Fix et. Kodak published formulas for many of these and now they are being produced by others with no overhead for the R&D that made them possible.
Oh well, perhaps my comments are useless in this venue. BTW, I am probably the only person on APUG who has spoken to Antonio Perez face to face and addressed the issue of analog photography.
So...
Anyhow. Have a nice day.
PE
Remember that many of these smaller companies did not have to do R&D on Dektol, HC110, XTOL, Liquid Fix et. Kodak published formulas for many of these and now they are being produced by others with no overhead for the R&D that made them possible.
You guys slay me. Too funny.
Explain to me why the head or any executives of a huge multinational like Kodak should even bother with us? We're 18,000 (max-possible) film users out of tens of millions, maybe less than 1% of all potential film users - and hostile to Kodak at that. So why would they feel welcome here?
Reading all these posts, I certainly could see why they would think APUG is a place for anti-Kodak zealots.
Oh brother. Too funny.
Thanks for the comments guys.
Basically, Kodak 'grew up' dealing not with people but with other big companies which were their customers. You went to a small film store, but they dealt with the wholesaler who dealt with Kodak.
In this new market, Kodak has not yet learned to respond to individuals, and what is worse, due to shrinkage of staff, fewer people have the time to attend to the customers.
Kodak knows how to deal with Walmart and Ritz and places like that though.
PE
Let's not forget D-76, the film developer that changed the face of photography forever!
Ron, to add to the other comments, I think you're probably the most well strategically placed person for APUG and sadly someone who does not get enough credit for his knowledge. Wasn't it Hurter and Driffield who concluded that despite the knowledge they were able to gather scientifically about photography, photographers still preferred listening to snake oilers and go on with their heuristics?
I would also be very keen to know what Mr Perez had to say about film, if that is not classified information.
And I think you're the final word on stop baths!
Sorry to say this, but I don't entirely agree. No matter which part of the world I have been in I have found the local EK customer service and technical support to be second to none. You can call EK up, ask a technical question, then be connected to someone who can answer it, and who is interested in helping you.
Which is more important: good PR or good technical support?
Which other company was handing out two free rolls of film to every person that came to their stand at Photo Plus? Which other company has mailed four rolls of free film to goodness knows how many thousand people?
Best,
Helen
Lets hope this dinosaur does not get eaten while down and out.
Forget Kodak. They are not with us anymore. Buy from who are.
I'm figuring there are three possible outcomes with Kodak and traditional photography:
1) They spin it off (a'la Ilford) via some form of buyout which can more profitably operate the business at reduced sales volumes.
2) They figure out that they can keep a traditional photography division in-house as a niche market producer - so long as it meets overall investor return expectations.
3) They run it down and then kill it.
To me, either 1 or 2 seems preferable to 3. But I often get the feeling that many folk here have already placed their bets on #3.
As stated above, I bear Kodak no ill-feeling and hope they are a supplier of traditional photography materials for many years to come.
However...
I'll be doing my buying from companies that have expressed support for my chosen art-form rather than the opposite. (I fully appreciate that this will make no difference in the great scheme of things whatsoever!)
Yes, buy a roll of HP5 and also a roll of Neopan and also a roll of Tri-X!
Let's keep them all alive dammit!
... For God's sakes, when has the CEO of any major company said something actually lucid?
There are several kodak products that I like, and will continue to use as long as I can get them.
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