Its quite possible that unit sales volume is up, gross sales are up (and Freestyle are correct) and net sales are decreasing. All can be correct simultaneously as NET is GROSS less COSTS. But What costs? How can any of us know how Kodak decide to chop up their operating costs into the various groups? Accountants can move costs around within a company so the analysis is irrelevant.
Quote from Forbes
"The one silver lining is that Kodak will continue producing color and black-and-white film, news that should make traditional photographers happy."
I am very happy
You show up and there it is, a hip and cool coffee shop with photo-esque motif, safelights for light fixtures, all kinds of cool photo nostaligia.
There is something similar in London. Aperture is a combined photographic store and café.
http://www.apertureuk.com/
Steve.
This business is my five year plan, to not only bring back film based workshops to one of the most art and talent filled places on Earth, but to provide a place where you can sip a cup of "Grade-3" while you look at a well worn copy of "Bare Witness" by Gordon Parks or rent a leopard skinned Nikon F2 and develop the film your self. Many of those used cameras out there are like old Beach Cruisers, they can be not only restored, but made cool, hip and fun.
This is what film photography needs in order to survive, to shake the cobwebs off of it and freshen it up, to be cool again and just plain fun.
This too, can be a reality...
I believe there is yet another similar coffee shop / foto-chique place in San Francisco. I bought some Agfa paper from them a while back, and got a nice Kodak Super-XX little magnet as a thank you gift, which now prides my refrigerator door.
The place is called Glass Key Photo, and is located in an establishment named Rocky Ricardo's. So it's a collaboration between two businesses to coexist, but along a similar theme.
There's nothing conjectural about Aristophanes' summaries of Kodak's financial reporting. Private opinions are one thing but private facts seem to be the basis of your denial of a serious situation for EK. That you don't like the news or don't get what's behind it changes nothing, your faith in the power of "positive" thinking notwithstanding.
Imagine you are on vacation in a nice place with many visually engaging attributes that are worthy of pointing a camera at. You are strolling downtown with your significant other and she wants to go shop for a few hours. You decide that shopping is not for you, set a meeting time and place and look for a coffee shop to have a seat and read the paper. You contact who seems to be a local and ask where the best place is for that, not Starbucks perhaps. The enthusiastic informant quips, "Oh, just go to the DarkRoom, two blocks that way on your left"....
You show up and there it is, a hip and cool coffee shop with photo-esque motif, safelights for light fixtures, all kinds of cool photo nostaligia as decor, bean-bag chairs, photo-centric coffee table books abound...you get the idea. And next to the counter where the barista is chugging away at making you a latte with "2-Stops" of espresso, is another counter....cameras for rental and purchase. In the case are not dusty old Practicas and 120 folders, but shiny, colorful and whimsical renovations of what were garage sale paperweights. There is a stable of Blads, some with really funny stickers covering them, others with bright red and blue leatherette, all in perfect working condition having been gone over by David Odess. Then there are Leicas, Nikons, Canons and several others.....all mechanically sound and freshly adapted to be the new age of film photography, the fun part. Some of these beautifully restored cameras ar for sale too, not eBay level dirt cheap, but surely affordabe by most. You notice lots of black and white and color film behind the counter in a cool fridge that has been painted and stenciled in well known quotes by famous photographers...you are fully engaged now....
You have two hours to kill, you ask the person at the counter "So I can rent one of these, but where can I get the film developed?" The Barista replies, "The color we send out, but the black and white can be done right here in our darkroom, you can even do it your self and print it too." The gentleman rents a Leica, had always wanted to try one.
The next day, he asks his wife if he can have two hours to go print his film...he is hooked and buys the camera of his dreams.
This business is my five year plan, to not only bring back film based workshops to one of the most art and talent filled places on Earth, but to provide a place where you can sip a cup of "Grade-3" while you look at a well worn copy of "Bare Witness" by Gordon Parks or rent a leopard skinned Nikon F2 and develop the film your self. Many of those used cameras out there are like old Beach Cruisers, they can be not only restored, but made cool, hip and fun.
This is what film photography needs in order to survive, to shake the cobwebs off of it and freshen it up, to be cool again and just plain fun.
This too, can be a reality...
I'm sure someone has done that. It's just really hard to compete with the phone in your pocket that does that exact thing just as well.
Your post was pretty clear, actually. Just a couple of frustrating abbreviations, that's all. Thanks for clarifying. It's perfectly clear now.
Where have you been for the past decade? The major makers killed film cameras because--wait for it--there was insufficient demand. The film ecosystem as it was known to many has simply collapsed. What leads to this bizarre belief in a resurrection of film camera manufacture? Hope for a reverse "cargo cult" where Nikon F2 bodies and rolls of K-64 rain down from above?
michaelbsc said:Who wants to see a valve actuator on Facebook?
You show up and there it is, a hip and cool coffee shop with photo-esque motif, safelights for light fixtures, all kinds of cool photo nostaligia as decor, bean-bag chairs, photo-centric coffee table books abound...you get the idea.
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This business is my five year plan ...
Kodak's FPEG net sales numbers include photographic still film, movie film and movie print film. If photographic still film sales grow by 20% total, steeply declining movie print film sales may still cause an overall decline in FPEG sales volumes. Both the numbers Aristophanes keeps posting over and over again and the numbers published by still film distributors may be correct and consistent.Exactly right, and I tried to make that point in this thread or another about a week ago. But, you know, some people believe that pasting in the same partial info over and over is somehow contributing to the thread.
I don't see anyone here disagreeing that Kodak is in real trouble or saying that everything is great and that the sun will shine tomorrow. Kodak wouldn't be in bankruptcy if they weren't in trouble. I think the difference here is SOME of us think that the film side of Kodak's business can be saved -- Aristophanes (and, I think, you) seems to be saying it's hopeless.
Ed
Caffeine and art sales go well together. I am thinking that Starbucks should be targeted by APUG.
I am thinking that Starbucks should be targeted by APUG.
Caffeine and art sales go well together. I am thinking that Starbucks should be targeted by APUG.
Remember to serve good coffee....
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