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The capital cost to buy into film has dropped, but the operational costs have risen substantially, and will continue to do so.
I am aware of that. Friends of mine are running labs. Successfully, in 2012. They've been clever and extended their services. New film and processing options, excellent mail order services nationwide / europewide.
In Germany and other European countries the number of professional labs is still quite high and stable for the last years. No problems at all here to get quality processing.
Concerning the whole film market consumers have always been the most important user group of film. 80 - 90% of the film was shot by consumers, not by pros in the glory days of film.
Clear indication that there is still a huge market for consumer film: I can buy consumer CN film at nearly "every corner of the street" here in Europe, because all drug store chains sell it. At extremely low prices: 85 - 90 Cent per film.
Such extremely low prices are only possible if there is enough volume. The demand is there, that is the reason why this film is offered.
Let's change the view a little bit:
Europe is the biggest market for photofilm. How is film development organised in most European countries:
1. Drug store chains are offering film and development. Both is very cheap, with the house brand films and some chains extremely cheap, with film 85 cent and development only 85 cent as well. Films are collected in the stores and sent to big labs, e.g. labs belonging to the big European photofinishers CeWe or Fuji Eurocolor.
After two days you have your developed film and prints back. You can also choose between cheap, lower quality prints ( 1 Cent for 9x13cm) and a bit more expensive and higher quality prints. You can order CN, E6 and BW.
Even very small towns have at least one drug store.
So getting your films developed based on local shops is not a problem.
2. You can get your film developed at local photo shops. These shops either send the films to CeWe or Fuji Eurocolor, or to specialised medium sized labs.
Some photo shops operate a mini lab and offer in-house service.
3. In bigger cities there are pro labs. Lots of pro labs offer mail ordering.
Mail order is very easy for example in Germany. The national postal service ("Deutsche Post") is even offering different special envelope types for the labs if they want, so that labs can offer their customers dedicated services. And of course sending in standard envelopes or packages is no problem at all. Just choose what you think fits best.
So, if you want your films be developed, just put them in an envelope, go some hundred meters to the next mailbox and send it to your lab. Two days later you have your developed films back.
It is very convenient, fast, reliable and cost efficient. Driving to a local lab is costing fuel, parking charge and time. In most cases it is more expensive than using mail order.
When reading about this obsession about local pro labs and mini labs some North Americans seem to have Europeans shake their heads.
Even in the glory days of film in Europe the majority of films has not been developed by these types of labs.
For the long term survival it is not necessary that each small town has its own local lab. A more centralised infrastructure is working.
There are great chances for professional labs in the future, which adopt to the new film market: Offering attractive mail order services nationwide, expand the product programme, do marketing for film and their services.
I have three pro labs in my city. Nevertheless I mostly do mail order sending my films 500 km away. Because there is a lab offering more value for me.
Best regards,
Henning
Henning had no data apart Lomo's global job postings for shop help and some gross and out-of-date CIPA stats. When pressed he couldn't really document his arguments with much beyond anecdotes. Holgas and Dianas aren't the answer to falling demand for film.
The same thing is happening across swathes of the US and Japan and other parts of Asia.
Thanks for the good information and patience, Henning.
Hmm sounds nice, you are welcome to stay at my place in C'ville. In fact I and friends here could probably host quite a few apuggers.
It's just take some ingenuity. But that is exactly what this area is known for.
Keith,
Have you had experience with maskless films in the darkroom?
I have not. But I'd be interested to know how it works. I have got some slide film in holders that I'll be cross-processing.
Tom.
Thanks Keith. That's a good idea about the blank organge frame. I have a few of those around thanks to dodgy cameras.
I've heard that Rollei film is an Agfa aerial film. I'd be keen to try it in the enlarger in case that's all we've got later on!
If 99% of all photographers are using digital, and only 1% film, will be that the end of film?
Currently about 1,5 billion people worldwide are taking photographs. This number is significantly increasing from year to year bacause of the economic growth in the newly industrialised countries.
1% of 1,5 billion are 15 millions. A tiny niche compared to the whole market, in relative terms.
But in absolute terms still a mass market.
But even this 1% is not guaranteed, markets are not falling from the sky, they have to be developed.
Marketing for film is the major factor for the survival of film.
Marketing by the manufacturers, by the distributors, the labs, and the film photographers.
That is what is absolutely needed.
We are sitting all in one boat.
Best regards,
Henning
Wayne, if anything I would expect the Formulary to do better - I hope that they are positioning themselves appropriately. The overall trend in analogue photography is "back to the future"... more interest in those processes that existed before mass-produced roll film etc.
Thanks for the good information and patience, Henning.
One thing that we should probably come to terms with is the benefit of narrowing the number of films in production. This will be an uncomfortable question for some of us, but: do we really need an ISO 25, 50, 100, 400, and 3200 b&w films, and several of those with different grain types? And from different manufacturers?
Perhaps it's time to start advocating more versatile films and spend less time complaining about the loss of niche products. If we aim to boost production of one type of film to meet Ilford's 8000 m^2 number, we should take a hard look at what films can realistically make those targets. It'll cause some gnashing of teeth but that's where we are.
That's why I'm more concerned about what happens to Photographer's Formulary than Kodak. Not that I think they are in any trouble, but what would I do without glycin?
When Henning posted 90+ million analog cameras sold after 2000, (there was a url link here which no longer exists). Now it's suddenly old news? Jeez.No news with the old CIPA data.
He didn't talk about personal facts but about market research he did and was paid for. Nobody has paid you for your doom&gloom "research" so far and there may be a good reason for that. Think about it.How convenient, Henning. Just more "personal" facts behind your "personal" opinions. Utterly incredible.
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