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MattKing
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This is something I received about a year ago when, in response to a question here on Photrio, I asked my reliable Eastman Kodak source about whether there are any differences in the development requirements for Eastman 100D (5294) and Kodak Ektachrome 100:
"There should be no concerns in processing the 135 format E100 or the motion picture 5294 in a home tank, Jobo, Sidekick or external lab processor. They should process out the same or nearly identical to each other. The die statement added to the 5294 Data Sheet is added more as information to labs that are used to ECN-2 or B&W chemistries and processors that there are different dyes and different reactions that have different colors that will come out when processing an E-6 product. Some of this is due to the anti-halation dyes used in the film which are very different than those used in B&W films where no rem-jet backing is employed."
My understanding from the rest of the related exchange of information is that the films should work identically when used as still films. Of course the edge printing and sprocket shape will differ.
For me, the lack of frame numbers is a real downside of using 5294 for stills, but that may not concern you.
"There should be no concerns in processing the 135 format E100 or the motion picture 5294 in a home tank, Jobo, Sidekick or external lab processor. They should process out the same or nearly identical to each other. The die statement added to the 5294 Data Sheet is added more as information to labs that are used to ECN-2 or B&W chemistries and processors that there are different dyes and different reactions that have different colors that will come out when processing an E-6 product. Some of this is due to the anti-halation dyes used in the film which are very different than those used in B&W films where no rem-jet backing is employed."
My understanding from the rest of the related exchange of information is that the films should work identically when used as still films. Of course the edge printing and sprocket shape will differ.
For me, the lack of frame numbers is a real downside of using 5294 for stills, but that may not concern you.
Ultrafine Online has 100 foot rolls of 100D 5294 on their site right now for $215.98 (here: https://www.ultrafineonline.com/eako52ek100c.html)
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Thank You !!!
Currently in Poland, the difference in the potential price is huge, so somehow I will have to deal with the lack of no. frames, which is also a problem for me.
In wholesale the price is 108 pln and from the roll it comes out to me 47 pln. And besides, Fuji is unavailable.
I have shot about half of a 400ft roll of the eastman 100d (5294) and it shoots just like the 100e I shoot in 4x5. I find thats its best to shoot the 35mm at 80 instead of 100, but your results may differ from mine.
here is a longer thread on the film
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here is a longer thread on the film
35mm Ektachrome 100 bulk availability
I see this as conformation of my assumption of origin of these films.
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Flic film is spooling 36 exposure rolls of Ekatchrome 100D 5294 as "Flic Chrome 100" (I have a roll in my Canon A1 at the moment.) I belive that Brooklin Camera carries it in the States. I am hoping that both the MP version and the Still Version are finished from the same stock. I am in the habit of Mounting my Slides so the edge printing is not an issue.
trying a roll of that might be a way to ensure that you will be happy with using the film for still use.
trying a roll of that might be a way to ensure that you will be happy with using the film for still use.
As far as I know, it shoots the same— because it is the same. Datasheet E100 and datasheet 100D are the same except for the bits specifically related to motion picture shooting. I have done the 400' to 135 before and I'm going to do it again soon.
So the only obvious difference is the cine film has BH perforations and the 135 cassettes have KS, correct?
yes, that was the impression that I had when it came out, that any tweeking it needed for Movie use was just part of the same master rolls that the still film was converted from. I could see where the movie film might have a similar process survivable Anti-static lubricating backing as is found on Double-X, BUT that should not cause a problem on the still film
And the edge print on the 5294 has Keycode footage numbers. (although One article I read at the time said that many of the keycode readers designed for Colour Negative might not be able to read the bar code.) They picked 5294 as the type mumber to reuse as the old 5294 (Think "Hill Street Blues" ) was phased out before Keycode became mainstream and so the conflict of type numbers was not a problem. {in the Kodak system - all 35mm Acetate Camera film starts with 52xx, so they have to reuse numbers every few years)} the Keycode ID is suposed to be "EA" which was previous used for type 5285 which was an earlier version of ektachrome 100D.
the BH perfs would be bh1866, while the KS would be KS1870, but I have not ever heard of any still camera caring about the 4 ten thousands of an inch difference.
Does anyone know when it will be available? I've been following for a while - there was an announcement for July, but they took it down...
Looking for a 400' roll. And to make it more complicated, I'm from Europe, where it's not available. But it's still good that B&H delivers to Europe - a slightly more expensive option, but still there is one.
Looking for a 400' roll. And to make it more complicated, I'm from Europe, where it's not available. But it's still good that B&H delivers to Europe - a slightly more expensive option, but still there is one.
I purchased a 400' roll from B&H in April (2023) after I purchased the price dropped and then was sold out. New supply was supposed to be in stock late July.
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some people sell it in Poland. Fresh stock.
Hi ad
5294 is so perfect(as u can see in image),you should have no concern about it
Also I believe they just the same too(5294 and E100).
I think Kodak was so unable to sell E100 very well since its price is too high.They even had to reduce their produce velocity because they can't sell out the stock.
And when 5294 came,everything just changed.
It even revitalized many already half-dead E6 process lab
5294 is so perfect(as u can see in image),you should have no concern about it
Also I believe they just the same too(5294 and E100).
I think Kodak was so unable to sell E100 very well since its price is too high.They even had to reduce their produce velocity because they can't sell out the stock.
And when 5294 came,everything just changed.
It even revitalized many already half-dead E6 process lab
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Hi ad
5294 is so perfect(as u can see in image),you should have no concern about it
Also I believe they just the same too(5294 and E100).
I think Kodak was so unable to sell E100 very well since its price is too high.They even had to reduce their produce velocity because they can't sell out the stock.
And when 5294 came,everything just changed.
It even revitalized many already half-dead E6 process lab
Looks great! Are you processing at home or using a lab?
Hi msh
At home using a Jobo type rotaty machine
But yes I'd still recommend having a dedicated studio for processing, Especially if you are doing chemical making(I configure E-6、ECN-2 and
some BW chemical by myself),film processing and enlarge like me
Otherwise the film related work can make home a huge mess
Looking at Kodaks European price list they want 564 euro for 400 ft or 1410 euro for 1000 ft in 35mm. there are sales contacts in the price list in Poland, Georgia and Romania , although you might just want to ask at the general order desk ei-order@kodak.com which office serves Bulgaria, and what the shipping point is...
European Catalog is at https://www.kodak.com/content/produ...tion-Picture-Products-Price-Catalog-EAMER.pdf and that might be a good starting point to read.
the 400ft roll is CAT 7493331 and the 1000ft is 7493349 Both are Minimum order quantity of One Roll. in the europe catalog. and both show as a stocked item.
OH, I looked on another page and for Bulgaria you are to contact:
Bulgaria
CINELABS SRL (Kodak Motion Picture Authorized Distributor)
170, Bucurestii Noi Blvd,
012369 Bucharest
ROMANIA
Fax: +40 21 668 64 14
Phone: +40 21 668 64 45
http://www.cinelab.ro
Problem in Europe is usually that the official dealers of movie film refuse to sell you Ekrachrome, except if it is for a production you can name. "Please ask for prices. Delivery directly to production only". Alaris seems to want to prevent anybody from rolling bulk Ektachrome. It is a pity, because Ektachrome has been practically unavailable in Europe since Fuji films disappeared from the market. If there are some stocks, prices are insane (from 25 € a roll(.
Yes, I have spoken to official Kodak distributors - they say direct orders and that's it.
I've been meaning to make an inquiry directly to ei-order@kodak.com for quite some time - today I did. I ordered 5294 and 7294 (16mm 1R) - quick response from Kodak. It was not clear where they would be sent from or when, but I received an invoice. Unfortunately I missed the last bank settlement of the day - they will receive the transfer tomorrow.
Good for you! Hopefully everything is delivered promptly.
MattKing
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Alaris doesn't sell bulk Ektachrome because Eastman Kodak doesn't make bulk Ektachrome for them. Most likely because Eastman Kodak's production cost of using the at least 65 year old 100 foot bulk production line is so much higher per roll than the respective costs of the much more modern and automated lines that produce the individual 135-36 cassettes of still film and the 200, 400 and 1000 foot loads of movie stock.
We have lots of discussion about this in the threads bemoaning the cost of Kodak black and white film stocks.
Eastman Kodak makes, markets, distributes and sells motion picture films.
Eastman Kodak makes the still films, and sells all of its production to Kodak Alaris, who shoulder all the costs and responsibilities to market and distribute those to local distributors.
Thanks.
They arrived today - everything is fine. There were some interesting moments with the order, but I am very satisfied. And the price is better if I had bought them from B&H. The price without VAT (that's how the invoice was issued) is EUR 648.85 (EUR 778.62 with VAT, which is somewhere around $858), and in the current version it can be used for a company expense and possibly a tax credit, while the order from B&H was $979.74 all , without the possibility of a company expense.
However, we in Europe are not completely left behind
By the way - yesterday I received a notification from B&H that the 100D is now in stock.
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No, as far as anyone knows, it is the exact same film. I have found, at least in the US, Kodak is well aware of photographers buying the stuff to roll as stills film, and they don’t seem to care. Not sure why Europe is different, but it may be worth seeing if you can get film either from B&H, or if that isn’t possible, order directly from Kodak US and use a forward service. Definitely better than paying $250/100 ft roll (I paid $566 for a 400 ft roll including taxes and shipping, so $140/150 ft)
Thanks.
They arrived today - everything is fine. There were some interesting moments with the order, but I am very satisfied. And the price is better if I had bought them from B&H. The price without VAT (that's how the invoice was issued) is EUR 648.85 (EUR 778.62 with VAT, which is somewhere around $858), and in the current version it can be used for a company expense and possibly a tax credit, while the order from B&H was $979.74 all , without the possibility of a company expense.
However, we in Europe are not completely left behind
By the way - yesterday I received a notification from B&H that the 100D is now in stock.
How many 36 image strips can you get from 35mm 400 feet? Do you have to attach leaders?
MattKing
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~Eighteen 36 exposure rolls per 100 feet.
Don't forget that there are no frame numbers - just key codes.
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