Kodacolor 100. New

[BrianShaw]

English is not my first language, so I might've missed where EK said in plain English which existing film is Kodacolor 100 and which is Kodacolor 200... Can you tell us so we and the YT folks can stop guessing?

We all know Kodocolor 100/200 are not new films. It would be beyond crazy for EK to come up with new films as shitty as that.

Your English is fine. They stated existing and didn't say which. There are a limited number of options...

As to which films they are, the guesses in this thread are probably as good a guess as you'll get. Interestingly, nobody seems to have authoritative contacts within Kodak to ask, nor has anyone asked Mr. Mooney, who is quite responsive to most questions about Kodak.

 

[MattKing]

I doubt that they are the same film as something you can buy new in another box, with a different version/name on it.
They may very well be basically the same as an older iteration of a no longer made film, adjusted due to concerns about current costs and component availability concerns. Or even just adjusted so the old emulsions can be used with Estar base, instead of the acetate base that the older version came on.

 

[BrianShaw]

… unless the rebranding is to simply make the old branding obsolete. Specifically, replacement for improved marketing versus an additional product SKU. That wouldn’t surprise me at all.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

The greater point, perhaps, is that ALL products wherever made have been in a "race to the bottom" for decades. Cost control and maintaining market shre has been a major problem for a long time. Kodacolor 100 and 200 quality hasn't changed... they are what the are: an existing product that is at whatever level they always were at. If anything, the quality associated with the name "Kodacolor" may be different now than it was in the olden days but comparing then to now could be a fool's errand.

I think the quality has gone down much more once domestic producers started to send manufacturing offshore to reduce prices.

 

[BrianShaw]

That’s fine. You’re entitled to an opinion. But what does that have to do with Kodacolor 100 and 200? That’s the topic most of us are discussing.

 

[mshchem]

My new GE Profile washer does not work as well as their last one, especially in the spin cycle. You have to keep readjusting the balance. Made in China? Wherever it's not as good.

GE doesn't make appliances. GE is a brand of Haier, a Chinese company

 

[mshchem]

The Lucky (appropriate name) color negative film is coming probably be cheap cheap

 

[braxus]

Wow how this thread got derailed quickly. People want to know which of Kodak's existing films being made are the new Kodacolors. Based on what Ive seen so far, and already mentioned, the 100 is Lomo 100. They did say existing films and an old or new version of Gold 100 wouldnt make sense, partly because Gold 100 is not being made today. Kodak VR Plus 100 is being made (under Lomo 100). That would meet the requirements of Kodaks statement of existing films already being made today. I was really hoping Kodacolor 100 would be a reissue of Gold 100, but alas it doesnt seem to be the case. Gold 100 was my favorite C41 film. I tend to like more saturated colors, which Kodacolor 100 does not have. I really wish we could get back Portra 160VC film, and even Portra 400UC. My next video on this new film is on hold until I can get my PC up and running again. I tried rendering the video on my laptop and it was taking 8 days to export. 4 days in on that and my damn laptop did an update and restarted my computer, making 4 days of work tossed out.

 

[Agulliver]

The Lucky (appropriate name) color negative film is coming probably be cheap cheap

Lucky have made it clear that the level of investment they've made into bringing colour film back into production means it will not be "cheap cheap". Though it may just undercut Kodacolor. Since it's not on the market yet, it's difficult to know but $8-9 a roll has been mentioned.

Kodacolor 100, if it is an existing film (as Kodak tell us it is) logically would be what's been previously sold as Lomography 100. Which the intended market will be fine with. Personally I prefer the older versions to Gold anyway. So I am happy that Kodacolor 100 and 200 will be available alongside Gold 200. Keeps everyone happy.

 

[foc]

Not to go off on another tangent, Refixlab has Lucky 200 135-36 film for sale at $9.99.

https://reflxlab.com/products/1-roll-lucky-color-200-film-36exp

Flat rate shipping of $5.00 per order.

It would be interesting to see the new Kodacolor 200 vs Lucky 200.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

GE doesn't make appliances. GE is a brand of Haier, a Chinese company

No wonder!

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

That’s fine. You’re entitled to an opinion. But what does that have to do with Kodacolor 100 and 200? That’s the topic most of us are discussing.

Someone brought up washers and dryers, and I took the bait. But there is a relationship between these products. In order to reduce costs, quality almost always goes down. So $9 Kodalcolor 100 and 200 are not as good as Portra or Ektar, which are much more expensive.

 

[bfilm]

GE doesn't make appliances. GE is a brand of Haier, a Chinese company

No wonder!

GE Appliances is not a brand I have ever followed closely. I didn't even realize they were Chinese-owned now.

But they do still appear to have manufacturing in Kentucky, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Indiana, and Connecticut.

 

[George Mann]

But they do still appear to have manufacturing in Kentucky, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Indiana, and Connecticut.

Where are the parts made?

 

[bfilm]

Where are the parts made?

I don't know. The above is just what I found at a quick glance on their website.

 

[mshchem]

Where are the parts made?

Don't ask. Not in the states. Cabinets are fabricated in the US, all the compressors, motors etc are from overseas, have been fo some time.

It's not the country of origin so much as the constant turmoil created trying to take out cost and moving plants etc.

 

[mshchem]

Someone brought up washers and dryers, and I took the bait. But there is a relationship between these products. In order to reduce costs, quality almost always goes down. So $9 Kodalcolor 100 and 200 are not as good as Portra or Ektar, which are much more expensive.

Sometimes it's not a matter of making something cheaper, it's to fill the production lines, reduce the impact of fixed costs. Kodak just spent a bunch of money improving their operations. Now they need to fill the line. Offering many different price points. It's all good for us end users.

Ilford is doing the same thing

 

[ChrisGalway]

I think the quality has gone down much more once domestic producers started to send manufacturing offshore to reduce prices.

"Domestic"? This is an international forum.

 

[flavio81]

Lucky have made it clear that the level of investment they've made into bringing colour film back into production means it will not be "cheap cheap". Though it may just undercut Kodacolor. Since it's not on the market yet, it's difficult to know but $8-9 a roll has been mentioned.

Lucky 200 is now on Reflx labs and it is not cheaper than Colorplus / Kodacolor 200. Yet.

 

[dcy]

Maybe they didn't know what Kodak said about these products.

They did. Later in the video they read the announcement and show a screenshot of it as part of their "investigation".

 

[dcy]

English is not my first language, so I might've missed where EK said in plain English which existing film is Kodacolor 100 and which is Kodacolor 200...

Kodak did not say which existing film. Only that they are existing films. As I mentioned earlier, I am as curious to know which films they are as anyone else. But my initial comment was on the topic of credibility and authenticity. I was commenting that even when Kodak states in plain English that they are releasing existing films with different branding, and that what they think we should be all excited about is that they are now selling directly to distributors and that they're investing in manufacturing capacity, you still get all these online discussions and YouTube videos where they try to "figure out" if these are new films. It looks to me like Kodak simply cannot win. Even if they state honestly that these are existing films, some people will act like it's a mystery and do an "investigation" and phrase it in a way that can easily lead a listener to conclude that Kodak is being dishonest.

It would be beyond crazy for EK to come up with new films as shitty as that.

That's rude. I think the photos look nice. I'm gonna buy them.

 

[dcy]

… unless the rebranding is to simply make the old branding obsolete. Specifically, replacement for improved marketing versus an additional product SKU. That wouldn’t surprise me at all.

They make it clear that the exciting part of the announcement isn't supposed to be the branding. What we are meant to be excited about is that they are now selling directly to distributors, and that they've invested in manufacturing and have increased production. I think it's perfectly reasonable to be happy about those things.

 

[Samu]

They make it clear that the exciting part of the announcement isn't supposed to be the branding. What we are meant to be excited about is that they are now selling directly to distributors, and that they've invested in manufacturing and have increased production. I think it's perfectly reasonable to be happy about those things.

At least for now, these films are available only in the USA. This is far from global rebranding.

 

[BrianShaw]

They make it clear that the exciting part of the announcement isn't supposed to be the branding. What we are meant to be excited about is that they are now selling directly to distributors, and that they've invested in manufacturing and have increased production. I think it's perfectly reasonable to be happy about those things.

I agree. Perfectly reasonable. I’m happy… about both rebranding and direct to US distribution. Hopefully the stretch goal is to go global.

 

[brbo]

That's rude. I think the photos look nice. I'm gonna buy them.

Me too. Photos of the box look really nice.

I'm not pretending that what's inside is anything to be excited about, though. I mean, I'd be all over if they brought back something fun like Portra 400NC, Ektar 25 or Ektar 1000. My excitement and money for crappy new films will be reserved for those from Harman, Inoviscoat, Adox and Lucky...