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I do not see any statement that the antihalation backing is not included in these films. I will probably buy some the next round of film buying.
 
Somewhere in the myriad of internet locations that Harman shares things, there is or was information about how their two film product lines compare.
And included in that is a reference to the fact that the difference in the level of anti-halation incorporated in the films helps contribute to being able to sell the Kentmere products at a reduced cost to customers like the educational markets.
It isn't that there is no anti-halation. It is that the anti-halation is less.
Of course, with 120 that is probably less important because of the backing paper.
 
MattKing said:
Somewhere in the myriad of internet locations that Harman shares things, there is or was information about how their two film product lines compare.
And included in that is a reference to the fact that the difference in the level of anti-halation incorporated in the films helps contribute to being able to sell the Kentmere products at a reduced cost to customers like the educational markets.
It isn't that there is no anti-halation. It is that the anti-halation is less.
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Hello Matt,

I can confirm that.
When I first used the Kentmere films the less effective (worse) anti-halation capabilities compared to the in that regard excellent Ilford films was one of the first differences and characteristics I realized comparing the films.
The difference was obvious and clearly visible in the final results.
During our amazing factory tour in Mobberley we talked about these differences as well and I got my test results confirmed.
To be able to offer both Kentmere films at significantly lower price some cost reductions in the production process had to be made. Therefore also the quality compromise in anti-halation effectiveness.

Nevertheless the Kentmeres offer very good value, especially for beginners and photographers on a very tight budget.
I am using them mainly for applications in my photo test lab, when I need many films for certain camera and lens tests, and when their disadvantages are irrelevant and don't play a role.

That Harman technology / Ilford Photo is now offering both films in 120 format as well is an excellent decision.
When I've read it I thought "finally".......😍😇.

Best regards,
Henning
 
MattKing said:
It isn't that there is no anti-halation. It is that the anti-halation is less.
Of course, with 120 that is probably less important because of the backing paper.
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That's helpful Matt. Incidentally if APX 100 and 400 is the same as Kentmere and is produced in 120 then presumably it didn't take a lot "engineering" or expense relatively speaking to turn out Kentmere in 120 as well

I cannot recall the reasons some on Photrio gave to it not being worthwhile for Ilford to make Kentmere in 120 but the reasons stated seemed to centre around there not being a big enough market demand. So I wonder what has changed in the market conditions that now make it worthwhile for Ilford to make it in 120

pentaxuser
 
pentaxuser said:
So I wonder what has changed in the market conditions that now make it worthwhile for Ilford to make it in 120

pentaxuser
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One factor: the price of film in 2022, and Ilford's projected costs going forward. They NEED to have a less expensive option in 120.
 
MattKing said:
Actually, it makes more sense to continue the discussion from here. [...]
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I agree. Otherwise the "Ilford: Something is coming" thread we may turn out like the Ferrania thread ("As of June 2018, the Ferrania Folks hope to be in continuous production by Fall")

Surely, by the end of December 2018 (page 5 of that thread), Ferrania's activities during the Fall of 2018 were no longer a matter of speculation, but the thread continues for another 38 pages.
 
MattKing said:
Somewhere in the myriad of internet locations that Harman shares things, there is or was information about how their two film product lines compare.
And included in that is a reference to the fact that the difference in the level of anti-halation incorporated in the films helps contribute to being able to sell the Kentmere products at a reduced cost to customers like the educational markets.
It isn't that there is no anti-halation. It is that the anti-halation is less.
Of course, with 120 that is probably less important because of the backing paper.
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Thank you for clearing that up.
 
pentaxuser said:
That's helpful Matt. Incidentally if APX 100 and 400 is the same as Kentmere and is produced in 120 then presumably it didn't take a lot "engineering" or expense relatively speaking to turn out Kentmere in 120 as well
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Current AgfaPhoto APX 100 and 400 are rebranded Kentmere 100 and 400. But they have never been offered by Lupus Imaging (the company that has the license to use the AgfaPhoto brand name for films) in 120 format.
But Maco Photo Products has sold their rebranded Rollei RPX films (also rebranded Kentmere) in 135 and 120.


pentaxuser said:
I cannot recall the reasons some on Photrio gave to it not being worthwhile for Ilford to make Kentmere in 120 but the reasons stated seemed to centre around there not being a big enough market demand. So I wonder what has changed in the market conditions that now make it worthwhile for Ilford to make it in 120

pentaxuser
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From a market research point of view my assessment has been that there has been a market for quite some time now. BW 120 film was one of the first film product types that had been first stabilized (almost a decade ago), and then increased in demand.
The recent increases in film prices due to raw material and energy price increases, global logistic problems etc. of course increase the market potential for lower priced budget films.

Best regards,
Henning
 
Cholentpot said:
Not having anti halation is a feature not a bug these days.
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It is just like barf. :sick: I would rather not have to deal with it. But you are free to swim in it if you choose.
 
pentaxuser said:
So I wonder what has changed in the market conditions that now make it worthwhile for Ilford to make it in 120
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Owner of local second-hand camera store recently told me that he's selling an extraordinary amount of medium format these days, many buyers being new film-format enthusiasts who after a few years now want to upgrade from 35mm to 120 film. Might be part of it.

I've said it elsewhere: if I were younger I'd seriously think of studying film-camera repair. There's going to be a lot of demand in the coming years.
 
I think this is great. Ilford is taking care of everyone. I don't know what the differences are. This reminds me a bit of the Kodak Gold vs. Portra. Both work.
 
What purpose will these new films serve if there are no medium-format cameras being currently produced? My Mamiya is getting very old and to replace it I see no alternative but another very old Mamiya...
 
miha said:
What purpose will these new films serve if there are no medium-format cameras being currently produced? My Mamiya is getting very old and to replace it I see no alternative but another very old Mamiya...
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There is also not much 35mm film cameras new, beside a few super low end and Leica...

Right now are still old camera repair people around, get of your favourite one 1-2 CLA'd and they should last quite a bit longer. I had in the last year a Minolta Autocord and a Pentax 645 done, they had lasted a few decades, and now some more... Not much different to 35mm. Many cameras from the 70s still work fine, if you want to keep them alive get a CLA (even though buying another used one is currently often still cheaper).
 
Alex Benjamin said:
Owner of local second-hand camera store recently told me that he's selling an extraordinary amount of medium format these days, many buyers being new film-format enthusiasts who after a few years now want to upgrade from 35mm to 120 film. Might be part of it.

I've said it elsewhere: if I were younger I'd seriously think of studying film-camera repair. There's going to be a lot of demand in the coming years.
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Alex, that is absolutely correct.
The market for quality film camera repair is significantly increasing. That is also the reason why in the last years
- new film camera repair companies were founded
- established repair companies have hired new staff
- new young repair specialists are trained
- even new spare parts are designed and produced, including electronic ones.

Best regards,
Henning
 
ant! said:
There is also not much 35mm film cameras new, beside a few super low end and Leica...

Right now are still old camera repair people around, get of your favourite one 1-2 CLA'd and they should last quite a bit longer. I had in the last year a Minolta Autocord and a Pentax 645 done, they had lasted a few decades, and now some more... Not much different to 35mm. Many cameras from the 70s still work fine, if you want to keep them alive get a CLA (even though buying another used one is currently often still cheaper).
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All true, we have Leica in 35 and there is still ALPA (and perhaps Silvestri from Italy) all super expensive.
 
warden said:
Ditto. It looks more like film. I've never tried a film lacking anti halation but I don't think that "problem" would bother me.
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Uncoated lens and no anti-halation? *chefs kiss*

Sirius Glass said:
It is just like barf. :sick: I would rather not have to deal with it. But you are free to swim in it if you choose.
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Shoot digital. Everything will be clean and tidy with no hiccups.
 
ant! said:
Right now are still old camera repair people around
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I keep reading this not being sure you mean old cameras, old repair people, or both... 🤔🤭😆
 
miha said:
What purpose will these new films serve if there are no medium-format cameras being currently produced? My Mamiya is getting very old and to replace it I see no alternative but another very old Mamiya...
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Time to replace it with a camera that lasts
 
Seeing it as preorder on B&H now. At $5.80 per roll I would rather have Kentmere than Arista. Good thing I hold my film restocking :smile:

Really liked Kentmere on 35mm so great news it is available on 120.

Marcelo
 
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