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Ron, I've got someone at another Web site forum claiming that Kodak is producing all the TMAX 400 sheet film it possibly can just to keep up with demand. When I asked where this "information" came from, he cited a dealer. I responded that those who maintain contacts inside Eastman Kodak (you, but I didn't name you) report very intermittent making and coating in Bldg. 38 are how EK is coping with extremely low demand and a line with huge capacity. He said he'd rather believe the dealer.

Perhaps both this thread's Kodachrome revivalist and that Kodak film dealer know something no one else does. Or not. :D

Or maybe B38 (like Harman & everyone else coating film & paper) is manufacturing in batches, not continuously as they used to. Those batches can be as short as 1 mile (and if you had listened to the Kodak engineers on the podcast about Ektachrome you would know this) but the previous preference was to coat multiple miles of product at once. Ilford has apparently spent the last 14 years learning how to make their plant more flexible - ie coating smaller quantities at intervals, rather than big batches in one go & it appears Kodak feels their machine can do the same.
 

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Ron, I've got someone at another Web site forum claiming that Kodak is producing all the TMAX 400 sheet film it possibly can just to keep up with demand. When I asked where this "information" came from, he cited a dealer. I responded that those who maintain contacts inside Eastman Kodak (you, but I didn't name you) report very intermittent making and coating in Bldg. 38 are how EK is coping with extremely low demand and a line with huge capacity. He said he'd rather believe the dealer.

Perhaps both this thread's Kodachrome revivalist and that Kodak film dealer know something no one else does. Or not. :D

Sal, here is a comment that has never been made, AFAIK, on the internet. Quantities of some sheet film products are made in such small quantities that they are hand cut, sheet by sheet. It does not make sense to ramp up the big machines to produce it. They just take a chop from the master roll and do it by hand.

That said, now you know how small things have become.

PE
 

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I never said there wouldnt' be people to buy it, i said the MASSES of PEOPLE NEEDED
to at least pay for production &c is non existent ...

I died back when a roll + processing was about 18$ (less if you dropped your rolls at Walmart), who's gonna pay 50/60$ now?
 
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I died back when a roll + processing was about 18$ (less if you dropped your rolls at Walmart), who's gonna pay 50/60$ now?
not me ! LOL

maybe richard branson, donald trump, bill gates, elon musk, the founders of ebay+ amazon, "the zuck" , warren buffett, oprah and other people with $$
it seems when the new kodachrome is released it will be a status symbol and status event to use and say one paid $50 or $100 or $500 to process a roll of the film.
 

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This thread has legs!

In other news, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.
 

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Nah! He's still looking for a Hispano-Suiza, never really liked Fords.
 

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An APUG member and friend dropped by today to visit me in my dungeon. They brought me a morsel of bread and some clean water for lunch. In return, I gave them a glimpse of V2 of my book. Yes, a hint but this included a monobath Koachrome in 1 minute and very fine grain with a speed of ISO 400.

Beat that! :D

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not me ! LOL

maybe richard branson, donald trump, bill gates, elon musk, the founders of ebay+ amazon, "the zuck" , warren buffett, oprah and other people with $$
it seems when the new kodachrome is released it will be a status symbol and status event to use and say one paid $50 or $100 or $500 to process a roll of the film.

Hell, you don’t even pay 2$ for a coffee loll (neither do I).

Tarantino will wear a Kodak T at Cannes, speaking highly of their films and saying stuff like “You’ve never shot film ‘til you’ve shot with Kodachrome”. Hipsters will spread words of its superior colours, archival qualities and that it really command its high price. The hype will last until the pockets of the aforementionned hipsters run dry, Kodak will sack 400 employees, close the film division due to “unforeseeable” losses, and “The plebs”, us, will be to blame for shooting C-41 & B/W instead of Kodachrome III - The End.
 

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Professional Kodachrome 25 was the last color film I used with any regularity. It was unlike any other and I got great satisfaction from the results it provided. In other words, I was as fond of Kodachrome as you appear to be.

While I am a realist and able to recognize that Kodachrome is a thing of history, you seem to permit your passion to prevent you from analyzing logically. The portion of your post #919 I quoted says it all. You refuse to use reason. Good luck.
From my point it'll be ok if there would come out a new E6 film with this speed (ISO25) with the same smallest grain (finer grained than Velvia50 in comparison) with the same extraordinary sharpness AND with simular long stability.So it have not to be the K14 problem.But from this quality ? - that seams to be not possible with E6......:sad:

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I scanned some Kodachrome a few weeks ago, here are the results: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1X3TQxCx1tps1nvkJdbuDsMR5yAaTcuLx

The photographer said he used high-speed Kodachrome.

They did indeed still look very good, but I have Ektachrome slides from that era with little or no fading too. Both developed by Kodak. I think it largely depends on storage conditions and quality of development.

How did Kodachrome 100 compare to Ektachrome 100 grain-wise? many people go on about how fine-grained Kodachrome is, but I think they forget this was at a much slower speed than the E6 they were comparing it with.
 

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I scanned some Kodachrome a few weeks ago, here are the results: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1X3TQxCx1tps1nvkJdbuDsMR5yAaTcuLx

The photographer said he used high-speed Kodachrome.

They did indeed still look very good, but I have Ektachrome slides from that era with little or no fading too. Both developed by Kodak. I think it largely depends on storage conditions and quality of development.

How did Kodachrome 100 compare to Ektachrome 100 grain-wise? many people go on about how fine-grained Kodachrome is, but I think they forget this was at a much slower speed than the E6 they were comparing it with.
I don't remember Kodachrome with the speed you mentioned. I am not sure if there has been a Kodachrome with ISO 100 in the very old days - possible there was one but I doubt a bit. But the grain you asked is indeed an issue of interest. 3 speeds have been avaible in still film format.ISO 25/64/200. There have been ISO 40 Kodachromes in Super8 format. I remember the same film in 16mm. But it may be there was also one ISO 100 in 16mm???? I can't say :sad:

The grain was just excellent (with ISO 25) but there was one issue in addition : extraordinary sharpness.
Kodachromes with ISO 64 wasn't with such small grain character but it was ok in comparison. The ISO 200 Kodachromes were real grainy (just from my point) - no wonder if you notice the higher speed.
The ISO 40 motion films have been such perfect from smal grain and sharpness that most of super8 filming people were much much disapointed about the characteristics of Kodak Ektachrome100 motion film version.
Some companies offered Velvia50 in super8 format to that time - but Velvia50 can't reach the smaler grain size of Kodachrome40.
That's what many super8 filmers stated - and that's should also answer your question.
I personaly can't say in direction of Velvia50 super8 what about the grain comparison - because I never used it with super8.But I would believe that Kodachrome40 was with smaler sized grain.
A new E6 emulsion with ISO100 should have a very little bigger sized grain and little less sharpness in comparison to a Kodachrome100 film (just from my point) because I can't give you the evidence : I remember no test comparison in that case - but it seams to be logical.
Comming at last to 16mm motion picture version of Kodachrome.
There have been some alternates after discontinuation of Kodachrome : in kind of negativ films.
Regarding the excellence of ECN2 films - special in low speed version (ISO50) I would like to state : same smallest grain like Kodachrome 40 - perhaps a little smaller
so there have been no problem
from discontinuation of Kodachrome40 16mm films :D .
But it was more expensive (not the Vision films itselfs) but you had to add the developement and the costs of a copy. (Kodachrome 16mm was inclusive developement and damned cheap in comparison)

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Sal, here is a comment that has never been made, AFAIK, on the internet. Quantities of some sheet film products are made in such small quantities that they are hand cut, sheet by sheet. It does not make sense to ramp up the big machines to produce it. They just take a chop from the master roll and do it by hand.

That said, now you know how small things have become.

PE
To be most precisely we should add : "On special formats with sheed films (like Ilfords special demand orders year to year [handmate 16" x 20" a.s.o] ...:unsure:) "- not with 4x5 inch. Or shouldn't we ? :whistling:


with regards
 
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