KA: Kodachrome "just not practical to try to replicate in today's market."

Helios 1984 · May 6, 2018

trendland said:
The constitution of lab service to E6 is very easy to handle by Kodak.In the worst case Kodak will build just one lab (with worldwide postal service) like in the old days.
with regards
PS: Thinking about Dwayne's

Maybe they could bring back their E6 one-shot development kit for home developing? Can't leave it to the competition to process your own films.

trendland said:
It'll be 100% in the near future .... with regards
PS: The remaing question is : What is the meaning of "near future" ? Short answer : just one decade
PPS : That's why Kodak's aproach to bring out the new Ektachrome is of this importance. (because it will longer the time of support on E6)
If we may have our focus on chemistry, lab support, and films also in regard of marketing (to create new demand to slide films).
Well - sure it is real nice to have a new E6 film (this special Ektachrome) but have you ever noticed the possible further effects?

Otherwise "near future" would have the real meaning of "near" (2 - 3 years). Because just one year after the very last E6 film will be sold out
the last lab will be closed and the last E6 chemistry will be sold out.

I understand that the approach is crucial if Ektachrome is to be successful, you can't just bring back a film and expect people to flock.
You know I feel like Kodak isn't present enough on the net, they have a facebook with lots of followers but they should be present on other platforms too.
For the moment their tweeter account is suspended, they have 2 post on Instagram and their Youtube channel is full of exciting videos about printers...
Showcase your films, make tutorials for beginners, do a podcast, tell us about Kodak history, present the Kodak moments of the week, that sort of thing.

Sirius Glass · May 6, 2018

Bring back Ascochrome and Dynachrome [formally called Dynacolor] slides!

faberryman · May 6, 2018

Agfachrome had a nice palette as well. Just because there was no market for it when it was discontinued doesn't mean there won't be a market for it in the future. (I think that's how the argument for Kodachrome has been framed. )

Helios 1984 · May 6, 2018

Sirius Glass said:
Bring back Ascochrome and Dynachrome [formally called Dynacolor] slides!

Bring back Agfacolor Neu! I want colours from the 30’s.

pentaxuser · May 6, 2018

Given we are generally agreed that Kodachrome is never coming back so is a "dead horse", is this thread a record in terms of the number of posts that it has produced?

pentaxuser

RattyMouse · May 6, 2018

This weekend I had several large hedges pulled from the front of my house. Time to plant something new.

TheFlyingCamera · May 7, 2018

pentaxuser said:
Given we are generally agreed that Kodachrome is never coming back so is a "dead horse", is this thread a record in terms of the number of posts that it has produced?

pentaxuser

There have been other, previous Kodachrome threads that ran longer IIRC. It's a never-ending unconsummated love-fest. The turd that keeps on stinking.

Sirius Glass · May 7, 2018

TheFlyingCamera said:
There have been other, previous Kodachrome threads that ran longer IIRC. It's a never-ending unconsummated love-fest. The turd that keeps on stinking.

The original Kodachrome is dying thread went on for over 3500 posts.

RattyMouse · May 7, 2018

We have a lot of work to do then. This one isnt even at 1000.

faberryman · May 7, 2018

RattyMouse said:
We have a lot of work to do then. This one isnt even at 1000.

A sign of diminishing interest in Kodachrome?

BMbikerider · May 7, 2018

faberryman said:
And sign of diminishing interest in Kodachrome?

No, the original posters are either dead or in care homes The new posters this time are their grandchildren.

BrianShaw · May 7, 2018

RattyMouse said:
This weekend I had several large hedges pulled from the front of my house. Time to plant something new.

TheFlyingCamera said:
There have been other, previous Kodachrome threads that ran longer IIRC. It's a never-ending unconsummated love-fest. The turd that keeps on stinking.

This weekend I put down 1 cubic yard of sharp rocks to keep feral cats from leaving stinking turds near my front door.

Sirius Glass · May 7, 2018

BrianShaw said:
This weekend I put down 1 cubic yard of sharp rocks to keep feral cats from leaving stinking turds near my front door.

A large dog does wonders.

lantau · May 7, 2018

Helios 1984 said:
You know I feel like Kodak isn't present enough on the net, they have a facebook with lots of followers but they should be present on other platforms too.
For the moment their tweeter account is suspended, they have 2 post on Instagram and their Youtube channel is full of exciting videos about printers...
Showcase your films, make tutorials for beginners, do a podcast, tell us about Kodak history, present the Kodak moments of the week, that sort of thing.

I don't do Twitter (I have nothing to say that warrants a broadcast), so I can't comment on that. But Kodak is very active on Instagram. I don't know which account you've been looking at.

There is Kodak Alaris with its Kodak Professional account. But I don't see that much coming from there. But Kodaks account itself promotes anything analog film, whether motion, or still picture. They run stories about film photographers, their workshops, Kodak photowalks, interns at Kodak in Rochester, etc. For a while they also promoted that Cameraphone Kodak Ektra. So I guess it is really about the Brand in general.

While I'm not really a lover of marketing they probably do it somewhat right (if you consider younger people the target group), all that is missing is for this to somehow go viral and hence mainstream. Maybe if they could convince a Kardashian to wear a Kodak shirt and proclaim that (re)discovering Kodak gave meaning back to their life...

RattyMouse · May 7, 2018

lantau said:
I don't do Twitter (I have nothing to say that warrants a broadcast), so I can't comment on that. But Kodak is very active on Instagram. I don't know which account you've been looking at.

There is Kodak Alaris with its Kodak Professional account. But I don't see that much coming from there. But Kodaks account itself promotes anything analog film, whether motion, or still picture. They run stories about film photographers, their workshops, Kodak photowalks, interns at Kodak in Rochester, etc. For a while they also promoted that Cameraphone Kodak Ektra. So I guess it is really about the Brand in general.

While I'm not really a lover of marketing they probably do it somewhat right (if you consider younger people the target group), all that is missing is for this to somehow go viral and hence mainstream. Maybe if they could convince a Kardashian to wear a Kodak shirt and proclaim that (re)discovering Kodak gave meaning back to their life...

Kodak's core business is commercial printing. THAT is where they are focusing all their efforts on in order to save the company from a second bankruptcy. Kodak tried, unsuccessfully, to sell their film production to the Hollywood studios. They declined to buy and so Kodak has kept the lights on as best they can.

Kodak's quarterly results will be posted on Wednesday. Last quarter was very bad. Hopefully there will be some improvement.

Helios 1984 · May 7, 2018

lantau said:
I don't do Twitter (I have nothing to say that warrants a broadcast), so I can't comment on that. But Kodak is very active on Instagram. I don't know which account you've been looking at.

There is Kodak Alaris with its Kodak Professional account. But I don't see that much coming from there. But Kodaks account itself promotes anything analog film, whether motion, or still picture. They run stories about film photographers, their workshops, Kodak photowalks, interns at Kodak in Rochester, etc. For a while they also promoted that Cameraphone Kodak Ektra. So I guess it is really about the Brand in general.

While I'm not really a lover of marketing they probably do it somewhat right (if you consider younger people the target group), all that is missing is for this to somehow go viral and hence mainstream. Maybe if they could convince a Kardashian to wear a Kodak shirt and proclaim that (re)discovering Kodak gave meaning back to their life...

I searched a little bit and found out that Dead Link Removed

PS: Resorting to the Kardashians to rejuvenate Kodak's image or closing shop? Not much of a choice.

flavio81 · May 8, 2018

Photo Engineer said:
Kodak does not need a good cup of coffee, it needs a good flux capacitor.

PE

The problem is not the flux capacitor, but getting the sustained 1.21 gigawatts of energy in a cost-efficient and clean way, even worse considering that "nukular" energy is restricted by lots of laws.

Lionel1972 · May 8, 2018

Helios 1984 said:
I wonder if Kodak has considered the possibility to release a E-6 Kodachrome, some close enough tweaked Ektachrome in a classic looking canister? If there is a market for Ektachrome, surely there would be a market for this, or does a non-K-14 Kodachrome is a definite NO, somewhat of an insult to the purists ?

My answer: yes it would be an insult. Counter-productive. Reintroducing a legendary process so complex and so difficult to bring back is what would make Kodak stand out and generate awe and respect from the new film community. Putting out an E6 Kodachrome lookalike would certainly generate the opposite. Kind of like if they would have dressed up dogs as raptors in Jurassic Park pretexting it was much easier to do and people don't know the difference.

Lionel1972 · May 8, 2018

RPC said:
What you keep missing is that all the reasons of the past are applicable today, and that the evidence is strong against that ever changing in the future. Show otherwise with facts.

There is no market today, and no sign there will be in the future. Show otherwise with facts.

Your argument carries no weight as it is based on speculation. Show me someone who would revive Kodachrome based on such speculation in the face of all the problems that have been discussed.

Glad we finally narrowed down our disagreement to this point: "... all the reasons of the past are applicable today, and that the evidence is strong against that ever changing in the future." I don't agree with that particular speculation of yours. I don't think the mind set of the potential customers is the same as the mindset of the customers of the past, times have changed. And the absence of evidence of a future change cannot validate the statement that change will never occur.

Sal Santamaura · May 8, 2018

Lionel1972 said:
...I don't think...

Professional Kodachrome 25 was the last color film I used with any regularity. It was unlike any other and I got great satisfaction from the results it provided. In other words, I was as fond of Kodachrome as you appear to be.

While I am a realist and able to recognize that Kodachrome is a thing of history, you seem to permit your passion to prevent you from analyzing logically. The portion of your post #919 I quoted says it all. You refuse to use reason. Good luck.

Sirius Glass · May 8, 2018

Lionel1972 said:
My answer: yes it would be an insult. Counter-productive. Reintroducing a legendary process so complex and so difficult to bring back is what would make Kodak stand out and generate awe and respect from the new film community.

No it would bring loud guffaws and squeals of laughter with bursts of giggles.

RPC · May 8, 2018

Lionel1972 said:
Glad we finally narrowed down our disagreement to this point: "... all the reasons of the past are applicable today, and that the evidence is strong against that ever changing in the future." I don't agree with that particular speculation of yours. I don't think the mind set of the potential customers is the same as the mindset of the customers of the past, times have changed. And the absence of evidence of a future change cannot validate the statement that change will never occur.

You can call my thinking speculation, I call it logic. As time goes by, the public Kodachrome mindset fades further and further into oblivion. You still have not shown any reason why this will not be so in the future. Therefore, logically, any chance of a of revival of this obsolete film becomes less and less as time goes by, and any thoughts of a revival are just wishful thinking. That is the case with you.

Lionel1972 said:
Reintroducing a legendary process so complex and so difficult to bring back is what would make Kodak stand out and generate awe and respect from the new film community.

What color is the sky in your world?

Lionel1972 · May 8, 2018

Sal Santamaura said:
Professional Kodachrome 25 was the last color film I used with any regularity. It was unlike any other and I got great satisfaction from the results it provided. In other words, I was as fond of Kodachrome as you appear to be.

While I am a realist and able to recognize that Kodachrome is a thing of history, you seem to permit your passion to prevent you from analyzing logically. The portion of your post #919 I quoted says it all. You refuse to use reason. Good luck.

I'm sorry but those who refuse to use reason are the ones who reject any potential return of Kodachrome based one what they believe is a definitive statement that it is a thing of the past which should never come back and who treat any other opinion as delusional and irrational. Those were the exact same arguments that were opposed to those who, "in spite of all evidence", insisted film photography still had a future while digital was taking over. It is sad to see such negative mindset is displayed by the same people who were laughed at by digital shooters for still believing in analog photography. If we have to give up the fight to promote a particular emulsion we should as well give up the fight for all analog photography altogether since we all know E6 film is on the verge of extinction, Fujifilm traditional film line is condamned to death in the near future and once the prices for silver and other harder to find componants keep rising, all film photography will be unaffordable for most people.

Lionel1972 · May 8, 2018

RPC said:
You can call my thinking speculation, I call it logic. As time goes by, the public Kodachrome mindset fades further and further into oblivion. You still have not shown any reason why this will not be so in the future. Therefore, logically, any chance of a of revival of this obsolete film becomes less and less as time goes by, and any thoughts of a revival are just wishful thinking. That is the case with you.

What color is the sky in your world?

Wet collodion photography public mindset had faded into oblivion long ago when it suddenly became tendy to shoot wet plates. Why don't you show me the evidence that lead to this come back? You still have not shown any reason why Kodachrome cannot become trendy in the same manner that wet collodion process has. So your thinking is just as speculative as mine. That's a fact.

RPC · May 8, 2018

Lionel1972 said:
Wet collodion photography public mindset had faded into oblivion long ago when it suddenly became tendy to shoot wet plates. Why don't you show me the evidence that lead to this come back? You still have not shown any reason why Kodachrome cannot become trendy in the same manner that wet collodion process has. So your thinking is just as speculative as mine. That's a fact.

And what was the quantity of people who did this? And what was the feasibility of them doing it?

Compare it with the demand necessary to revive Kodachrome, and the feasibility of doing it, as has been discussed to death. There is no comparison. Another illogical argument.

Thus, you still need to show why the non-existant demand for Kodachrome today would change in the future enough to make a revival feasible.

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