KA: Kodachrome "just not practical to try to replicate in today's market."

[Sirius Glass]

This sums everything up:

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I have one of those in plastic with hand the lights up green and then red.

 

[Sirius Glass]

My point is not whether or not it looks likely that Kodachrome will ever come back. My point is the potential for a market for a revived Kodachrome should not be denied based on whatever the reasons of its discontinuation were in the past as long as proper promotion and affordable price would be provided. You keep missing it again and again.

Blah, blah, blah

 

[faberryman]

If the Ektachrome film and camera do not come to market, I'll bet it will mean a hefty tax writeoff.

Unfortunately, you cannot buy back preferred shares with tax write-offs.

 

[Sirius Glass]

PE:
Sorry about your pension uncertainty.
No doubt due to legislative and cultural differences, the pension fund for "old" Kodak Canada retirees is/was a separate fund that was not dependent on Kodak resources, and not susceptible to Kodak decisions.
It is based in Ontario, and is monitored by that Province's private pension fund monitoring officials.
Every two years (IIRC) the Ontario pension monitors issue a public report on the projected claims vs underlying assets of the fund (the "subscription rate").
The last report I saw before my Dad passed away two years ago (and accordingly stopped receiving payments) indicated that the fund had gone from a 94% subscription rate to just slightly over 100% subscription rate in the previous two years.
My Dad had collected his pension for 33 years, so I don't expect his passing had much effect on the statistical analysis.
The government reports and disclosure obligations also include information on the nature of the underlying assets. That gives pension beneficiaries the ability to comment on the administration decisions of the pension administrators. The Kodak Canada retirees association were active in organizing those comments and had plans to make representations to the pension administrators on its members' behalf.
At the time of his passing, Kodak was still funding Dad's extended medical benefits. As I understand it, that funding actually originated from Eastman Kodak, and was/is vulnerable to Eastman Kodak's circumstances.

Maybe PE should move to Canada. He did not do that during the Viet Nam War, so he could do that now.

 

[Sirius Glass]

I shot some color negative and black & white Kodak film yesterday. Does that fit on this thread?

 

[RPC]

We'll allow it only if you shot it on obsolete film there is no demand for and never will be so a revival can be argued about senselessly.

 

[Craig]

Then there are Pentax optics as well, such as scopes.

Binoculars too. I gather they are very well regarded in bird watching circles.

 

[Sirius Glass]

We'll allow it only if you shot it on obsolete film there is no demand for and never will be so a revival can be argued about senselessly.

Kodak UltraColor 400 135-36

 

[E. von Hoegh]

We'll allow it only if you shot it on obsolete film there is no demand for and never will be so a revival can be argued about senselessly.

I have some Royal-X, in 4x5 and 120. Nobody ever mentions it.

 

[Helios 1984]

Perhaps that person does not follow photography closely, as even in the digital realm Pentax has made some very well designed cameras (such as the K-1).

Then there are Pentax optics as well, such as scopes.

That person is not interested in photography, but I thought Pentax was iconic enough to be known even by neophytes. : /

 

[E. von Hoegh]

I like Starbucks, so I would not go out of my way to annoy the person working there. It's their job, part of their life so I don't see the need to make people miserable.

Am I the only one?...

 

[BrianShaw]

Am I the only one?...

Apparently.

 

[E. von Hoegh]

Apparently.

Is ratty mouse your alternate screen name?

 

[BrianShaw]

Is ratty mouse your alternate screen name?

No. I’m me and he is he. Whatever that question was intended to imply...

But when I posed your question to my Magic-8 Ball that was the answer. Just thought you should know. Magic-8 Ball is rarely wrong.

 

[E. von Hoegh]

No. I’m me and he is he. Whatever that question was intended to imply...

But when I posed your question to my Magic-8 Ball that was the answer. Just thought you should know. Magic-8 Ball is rarely wrong.

Read the post I quoted. Read the quotee's subsequent posts. Think.

 

[BrianShaw]

Read the post I quoted. Read the quotee's subsequent posts. Think.

Ha ha ha ha ha. Not sure what your stirring up. Be less cryptic please. Bye

 

[MattKing]

Maybe PE should move to Canada. He did not do that during the Viet Nam War, so he could do that now.

Unfortunately, PE didn't work for Kodak Canada, so he has no claim against a Kodak Canada pension.
Eastman Kodak started up subsidiaries in many, many countries around the world. AFAIK, they were all wholly owned subsidiaries, but they were independent corporations with their own employees, legal obligations and legal entitlements. An employee of Kodak Canada has/had separate legal rights and entitlements, and no claim against Eastman Kodak directly, except where there were specific contractual provisions put separately in place - as an example, during a portion of my Dad's employment, he was able to buy stock in Eastman Kodak at a favourable rate, and I think Kodak Canada employees could get certain employee like price breaks for things that they bought from Eastman Kodak while in the US.
The best recent example of the separate nature of the subsidiaries is Kodak Alaris. There would be no such entity if the UK Kodak pension plan wasn't subject to certain super priorities that affected the claims under Eastman Kodak's bankruptcy.

 

[Theo Sulphate]

I like Starbucks, so I would not go out of my way to annoy the person working there. It's their job, part of their life so I don't see the need to make people miserable.

Am I the only one?...

Ha ha ha ha ha. Not sure what your stirring up. Be less cryptic please. Bye

Alex: This Alanis Morissette song was nominated for two Grammy Awards in 1997.

Theo: What is "Ironic"?

 

[Sirius Glass]

Maybe PE should move to Canada. He did not do that during the Viet Nam War, so he could do that now.

Unfortunately, PE didn't work for Kodak Canada, so he has no claim against a Kodak Canada pension.
Eastman Kodak started up subsidiaries in many, many countries around the world. AFAIK, they were all wholly owned subsidiaries, but they were independent corporations with their own employees, legal obligations and legal entitlements. An employee of Kodak Canada has/had separate legal rights and entitlements, and no claim against Eastman Kodak directly, except where there were specific contractual provisions put separately in place - as an example, during a portion of my Dad's employment, he was able to buy stock in Eastman Kodak at a favourable rate, and I think Kodak Canada employees could get certain employee like price breaks for things that they bought from Eastman Kodak while in the US.
The best recent example of the separate nature of the subsidiaries is Kodak Alaris. There would be no such entity if the UK Kodak pension plan wasn't subject to certain super priorities that affected the claims under Eastman Kodak's bankruptcy.

I knew that. It was the thought that if would be nice if it were possible.

 

[Sal Santamaura]

...The current Kodak pensions for those in the "old" Kodak now reside in a special plan "funded" somehow by EK funds. There is apparently no real back up for this fund, and it is apparently oversubscribed. That is what I meant above...

I assumed you are receiving payments from a defined-benefit pension plan, and your quoted post appears to confirm that. Those plans are guaranteed (with certain benefit limits that affect those who had very high incomes and, therefore, receive very high monthly payments) by the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation (PBGC). When a company like Eastman Kodak offers such a plan, it's required to make plan contributions with a target level that would ensure all vested benefits could be paid over the actuarially probable life of beneficiaries. That's referred to as "100% funded." If the plan's investment vehicles are performing well, smaller contributions are required by the company each year. Poorer investment performance demands larger annual company contributions.

If Eastman Kodak goes bankrupt and assets can't fully fund the plan, the PBGC will assume control over the pension and continue paying benefits. If Eastman Kodak somehow manages to get the plan 100% funded before bankruptcy, it can purchase a master annuity from an insurance company, which will then take over all of the plan's pension obligations to retirees. That's called a "standard termination." This gets the PBGC out of the picture. Should the insurance company default on making payments, retirees' only security would be what individual state insurance associations offer in the way of annuity guarantees. Those vary widely and are, generally speaking, far less useful than PBGC backing.

Given that you describe the Eastman Kodak pension fund as 'oversubscribed' (less than 100% funded), in my opinion the best you can hope for is that Eastman Kodak actually does declare bankruptcy again and the PBGC takes over paying your benefit.

 

[trendland]

If the Ektachrome film and camera do not come to market, I'll bet it will mean a hefty tax writeoff.
It will come PE (Ektachrome) - what about the Super8 camera system???? From my point such system seams to be a stillbirth from the very beginning of conception.But who cares about?A high quality super8 tranfer (it is still avaible via some companies with horrable pricing) makes absolute sense because of Kodaks calculation(relative cheap).And from my point let them bring out a cheap version Super8 camera - but a concept related to film students is nonsence because they have to learn on digital systems.
with regards









PE

 

[aldevo]

Unfortunately, you cannot buy back preferred shares with tax write-offs.

I waiting... an opportunity for real data on the real market for transparency film.

So far, it all seems like marketing hype and hope to me.

And I think Kodak is in a bit of a cold seat over it.

Surely the likely demise of the remainder of Fuji's E-6 line has to be playing a role here in the delay. It became very difficult - gosh,,more than years ago - to find any sort of quality E-6 processing service that was affordable/reliable/fast. And surely the last vestiges will be decimated once the Fuji films are gone - because most of the holdouts who shot this stuff were simply in it for those wonderfully-unique Fuji films. I can't imagine Kodak is in any sort of shape to underwrite a revival of E-6 processing infrastructure - even if, somehow, photographers who are presently loyal Fuji shooters somehow switch to Ektachrome. And every conversation I've had (which would require more fingers and toes than I have on both hands and feet to count) with an E-6 "holdout" over the past 15 years suggests there's scant chance of that.

My prediction remains that the Ektachrome re-issue isn't going to happen because Kodak is slowly coming around to its senses. Obviously, I'm sad for photogs who want it back - but I can't rationalize how Ektachrome is viable.

 

[Helios 1984]

And I think Kodak is in a bit of a cold seat over it.

Surely the likely demise of the remainder of Fuji's E-6 line has to be playing a role here in the delay. It became very difficult - gosh,,more than years ago - to find any sort of quality E-6 processing service that was affordable/reliable/fast. And surely the last vestiges will be decimated once the Fuji films are gone - because most of the holdouts who shot this stuff were simply in it for those wonderfully-unique Fuji films. I can't imagine Kodak is in any sort of shape to underwrite a revival of E-6 processing infrastructure - even if, somehow, photographers who are presently loyal Fuji shooters somehow switch to Ektachrome. And every conversation I've had (which would require more fingers and toes than I have on both hands and feet to count) with an E-6 "holdout" over the past 15 years suggests there's scant chance of that.

My prediction remains that the Ektachrome re-issue isn't going to happen because Kodak is slowly coming around to its senses. Obviously, I'm sad for photogs who want it back - but I can't rationalize how Ektachrome is viable.

I wonder what is the % of people who process their E6 rolls versus those who use the services of a lab.

 

[trendland]

I wonder what is the % of people who process their E6 rolls versus those who use the services of a lab.

It'll be 100% in the near future .... with regards
PS: The remaing question is : What is the meaning of "near future" ? Short answer : just one decade
PPS : That's why Kodak's aproach to bring out the new Ektachrome is of this importance. (because it will longer the time of support on E6)
If we may have our focus on chemistry, lab support, and films also in regard of marketing (to create new demand to slide films).
Well - sure it is real nice to have a new E6 film (this special Ektachrome) but have you ever noticed the possible further effects?

Otherwise "near future" would have the real meaning of "near" (2 - 3 years). Because just one year after the very last E6 film will be sold out
the last lab will be closed and the last E6 chemistry will be sold out.

 

[trendland]

The constitution of lab service to E6 is very easy to handle by Kodak.In the worst case Kodak will build just one lab (with worldwide postal service) like in the old days.
with regards
PS: Thinking about Dwayne's