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Do you buy MF optics from foreign lands? If so, where?

Two lenses arrived today from afar - a MF Mamiya 150mm f2.8 and a LF Nikon 300mm f9. I have to hand it to the Japanese sellers, the quality of their second hand lenses and their service is second to none. I recommend buying your optics from Japan.

Both items posted on the day of purchase, tracking numbers sent, professionally packaged. Couldn't ask for more except dodging the VAT haha...

I personally think that would rather pay the import duties than risk buying anything from UK sellers these days as I have had so many bad experiences.
 
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All my lenses are from Japan... but I purchased them all over there! Some used and some new (from WTS section in magazines). My dealings were always very positive. I would buy from Japanese sellers in a heart beat!
 
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+1 yup that's true, they are professional and nice too. one time the seller sent me a Japanese rice and asked me to try it :smile:

Thats touching. I have also bought two Les Paul guitars from Japan and the quality was absolutely spot on. One was sent Tuesday and arrived Friday... i'm in the UK. I always 'read' the newspaper they sent to pack it out!
 

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I haven't bought from Japan, but I have noticed David how much more expensive Japanese equipment on eBay that's from Germany.
 

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Have yet to purchase on EBay, but I have purchased in person from Japan - superb optics and service at each store.
Always try to visit when I get back to Tokyo and Osaka - some of the gear on offer is amazing, and I'm like a kid in a candy store!!!:D
 

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Over the past 6 months, I've bought about 8 used lenses from various Japanese and Hong Kong vendors. All were posted within 24 hours with tracking numbers sent, they arrived within a week, and the lenses were perfectly packed and accurately described. And the shipping costs via Japan EMS were LOWER than than the average price charged by the domestic vendors for similar lenses. And these 8 lenses came from 8 different vendors! Now I look at the ads for Asian vendors first.
 

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I've bought a few items from Japan via Ebay, always excellent service. It's noticeable how much cheaper it is at the moment buying lenses and cameras from Japan compared to the US which was at one time the cheapest for those of us from Europe.

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I just bought a 5cm ƒ2.0 Nikkor in LTM mount and it looks and handles almost like a brand new lens. I ordered it on the 18th, and had it in my hands four days later. I'm impressed. If the sellers are servicing the lenses before offering them for sale, I would not be surprised in the least.
 
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It amazes me. I have no understanding why Japanese sellers are so proficient. I have had so many utterly awful experiences with online sales and even shops over the years that I head straight to Japan for any second hand gear.
 

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It amazes me. I have no understanding why Japanese sellers are so proficient. I have had so many utterly awful experiences with online sales and even shops over the years that I head straight to Japan for any second hand gear.

I think of lot of it is culture based (on many levels). Generally speaking, people prefer new and perfectly working items - when things break down or look like crap they tend to become garbage, rather than reused or seen as a way to make some money. This is not just a camera thing. When I first came to Japan (1999) it was easy to furnish your apartment by sussing out the big gomi (trash) days - people would throw out perfectly working TVs, computers, refrigerators, sofas, etc. because they wanted something newer, bigger, or better, and since there was nothing they could do with the old thing, it just got junked. (That doesn't happen anymore - we have to pay for large items to be taken away/recycled.) Of course, people don't do that with cameras/lenses, which often get sent to the second-hand sellers. Even then, they are still in good condition. A lot of places, including shops, have limited storage which means there are no "attic" finds or estate sales where cameras and lenses that have been sitting unused for decades will show up. I think most people (men) who deal with used cameras and lenses are focused solely on that enterprise, and know that they can get a better sale is the item is in good working and cosmetic order. I have seen the repair corner in some shops so I guess quite a few do in-house repairs. People are pretty honest here and do the right thing almost all of the time - so selling "junk" listed as something better isn't as prevalent as it is with other sellers from other countries. I'm currently sitting at Starbucks and I can reserve my table by placing my wallet or phone on it, and I often leave my laptop on the table when I use the restroom. I would never do that anywhere else, but I know that people here will not touch it because it's not theirs. In fact, I'm so used to people doing the right thing here, I have to remind myself to be more alert when I travel or go back home to Canada.

That said, I don't want to imply that sellers (or Japanese in general) are perfect -- it's far from ideal here and there are a lot of areas that the Japanese seriously need to work on. The other thing I don't like about how well-regarded used film and darkroom equipment is here is that it can often be overpriced due to overvaluation. However, over the years I've seen camera/lens prices get better (maybe because fewer people are buying them?) but I had a hard time finding an enlarger here because people wanted too much money for basic used models (over $1000). Luckily I found somebody giving one away. Now I just need to find someone giving away a 4x5 enlarger and I'll be set!

FWIW, I prefer to buy most of my photo gear from Japanese sellers as well - I trust them and I don't have to deal with expensive shipping or currency issues.
 

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Japan is my first choice for lenses by far. The second hand sellers seem more professional.
 

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I have purchased used large format lenses from sellers in Japan, in many cases the lens was of a lower price (even with shipping) and much better condition than what was listed on particular forums...and it arrived in about a week.
 
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I'm currently sitting at Starbucks and I can reserve my table by placing my wallet or phone on it, and I often leave my laptop on the table when I use the restroom. I would never do that anywhere else, but I know that people here will not touch it because it's not theirs. In fact, I'm so used to people doing the right thing here, I have to remind myself to be more alert when I travel or go back home to Canada.

I love Japan dearly. I went there in 2008 and I am now long overdue for a return. I remember being on the underground and seeing all these paper adverts hanging from the ceiling. I commented how in the UK they would all be ripped down. The train seats were immaculate, no graffiti, no scratched glass... I spoke to a Japanese girl called Rika who I met on her way to Himaji and she said that 'no one would ever purposefully damage a train or any public service. You would be viewed as a criminal in Japan to ever do something so awful' (or words to that effect).
 
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I have purchased used large format lenses from sellers in Japan, in many cases the lens was of a lower price (even with shipping) and much better condition than what was listed on particular forums...and it arrived in about a week.

My lenses I bought last week were both A1 condition. I can't fault the Japanese market for cameras or musical instruments.
 

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I bought a number of MF lenses and other MF equipment from sellers in Japan. The only complaint I had was when a parts RB body I bought (partly for the mirror) arrived with a broken mirror. It jut wasn't packed well on one side. The number of people still using MF equipment must not be that great altogether so the stuff has to go somewhere. I recently bought a 150/4 Zenzanon PS for $20. I can't find anything wrong with it. It must have sold for more than $1,000 when it was new.
 

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Very interesting.
How do you do it?
Do you use eBay of your country and select listings from Japan?
Do you know some reputable second-hand photographic shop?
Do you use Google translator and search sites in Japanese?
Are there reputable "market places" to look at, which host the item with an English description?

Thanks for any useful routing
 

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Very interesting.
How do you do it?
Do you use eBay of your country and select listings from Japan?
Do you know some reputable second-hand photographic shop?
Do you use Google translator and search sites in Japanese?
Are there reputable "market places" to look at, which host the item with an English description?

Thanks for any useful routing

The best is to do a search on ebay.com. There is no Japanese Ebay in the strict sense, Japanese dealers targeting the overseas market will list their offers with English item descriptions on ebay.com. When I search through my domestic site (ebay.de), for some reason the overwhelming majority of offers from Japan will not show up, even with the "worldwide" box checked. When you have found a listing on ebay.com you simply copy and paste the auction number to your domestic ebay site, where it will now show up and you can put it on your watch list, bid on it as normal etc.

Ebay aside, there are dozens of Japanese second-hand photographic shops active on the internet (prices are for the domestic market and tend to be even more competitive than on ebay) but their sites are in Japanese and they will probably as a basic rule not deal with customers from overseas. So, as long as you don't read/write Japanese and don't have someone in Japan that could act as intermediary for shipment, it will be very difficult to buy from such a shop.
 
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People are pretty honest here and do the right thing almost all of the time - so selling "junk" listed as something better isn't as prevalent as it is with other sellers from other countries. I'm currently sitting at Starbucks and I can reserve my table by placing my wallet or phone on it, and I often leave my laptop on the table when I use the restroom. I would never do that anywhere else, but I know that people here will not touch it because it's not theirs. In fact, I'm so used to people doing the right thing here, I have to remind myself to be more alert when I travel or go back home to Canada.

(Hijack alert!)

When I lived in Japan in the 1980s, I got distracted and left my camera bag on the train. I realized it and grabbed the next train, and when I rode it to the very end of the line, I found the carriage I had been riding in and there was my camera bag still sitting on the overhead shelf.

I loved Japan. I'd go back there in a heartbeat.
 
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