Orwo/Calbe had made a financial an agreement with Agfa to drop the the use of Agfa Trade names, this was insisted on by Gevaert as part of the Agfa and Gevaert merger.
The J&C film from Efke was good, in my experience, but after they collapsed, it transpired that they’d left some of their investors, suppliers, and major purchasers out a lot of money and disappeared, while most of us smaller purchasers knew nothing about what happened. To many of us, myself included, it seemed like sheet film was too small and specialized a market for anyone to have any interest in pursuing such a swindle, but it may be that that’s just what happened. The last I tried to track them down when the company seemed to have fallen apart, all I could find was an address in rural Alaska.
This is an American term for someone who cheats other people. Similar terms could be "scammer" or "fraudster."What is a con man?
The guy was a con man.
This is an American term for someone who cheats other people. Similar terms could be "scammer" or "fraudster."
The guy was a con man.
Not at all ... according to Mirko and in various threads here on this site there have been a variety of formulations of the RO9 and Rodinal formulation. Was Photowarehouse or Bregger acting like con-men when they repackaged and resold Ilford BW film / paper or Forte film / paper?
Not much of a difference ( to me at least )...
Rodinal aside, this seems to have been the case, unfortunately. Most of us wouldn’t know that, myself included, but the folks who lost money at the end pursued legal remedies and learned more about J&C’s background in the process. I don’t know if they ever recouped their money.
All I have is hearsay from one of the affected parties, so I can’t say for sure, but that person was strongly convinced, based on their attorney’s investigation, that it was more than an investment gone bad.
there are two general types who end up being described as "con" men - those who over-promise and fail to deliver, despite an intention to fulfill those promises, and those who over-promise and fail to deliver, while never having any intention to fulfill those promises.
I had some inside knowledge of what went on with RetroPhotographic here in the UK and as a result also J&C.
Rodinal aside, this seems to have been the case, unfortunately. Most of us wouldn’t know that, myself included, but the folks who lost money at the end pursued legal remedies and learned more about J&C’s background in the process. I don’t know if they ever recouped their money.
All I have is hearsay from one of the affected parties, so I can’t say for sure, but that person was strongly convinced, based on their attorney’s investigation, that it was more than an investment gone bad.
David and IanThere's a huge difference. There was or is nothing under-hand with the other companies you mention selling re-branded products, that was part of the sales agreements between the manufacturers and the wholesaler/retailer.
After all Ilford manufactured two of Fuji's B&W films, Fuji put made in the EU on the packaging, all above board and legitimate unlike J&C's actions.
Ian
Classic Pan 400 was nothing like any Tri-X that I remember (back to the early 1970's) though. It was not like anything I can remember. It was very contrasty, could be grainy as hell or fairly smooth but there was no getting around the grain! The spectral response was fairly unique too as I recall.
From the look of the 35mm version, the edge print looked similar to Forte. Forte was built before WWII as the Kodak plant for that part of the world, so I would guess that their film "Paid Homage" to Kodak's fast film from before the iron curtain. would have been hard to tell back then, and impossible to tell now with the Forte factory sold as flattened real estate. Only one in the industry with any idea is the lad from Adox Berlin, and he might consider what he knows as part of his business Knowledge as he works on reviving some paper similar to Forte's Greatest Hits.
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