J&C- gone forever?

braxus · May 13, 2007

I wish John well. I wont add anything beyond that.

dancqu · May 13, 2007

jovo said:
...it was the only place in the US that carried paper
in 12x16 sizes. I'm so sorry.

I also had an interest in 12x16. So what now is for
sale, the company, inventory, good will? Were they
making money? Any experienced staff. That last but
far from least? Dan

guy catelli · May 13, 2007

Campbell said:
"And yes, we probably have a few too many lawyers."

Gee, and I always thought lawyers represented clients who filed lawsuits. I didn't realize that a lawyer could just go around filing lawsuits without any clients.

there's an old saying that every lawyer i've encountered smiles at when hearing it: a town with only one lawyer has a poor lawyer; a town with two lawyers has two rich ones.

Dana Sullivan · May 13, 2007

It's sad to see another supplier of quality products go out of business. B&S never directly competed with J&C, so we felt they were complimentary to our business, and vice versa.

I do know that it's difficult to speculate what "frivolous lawsuits" could mean. There are three options:
1. Lawsuits between manufacturers and their retailers.
2. Lawsuits between competing manufacturers and distributors.
3. Internal lawsuits among the partners of the company, their financial backers or others.

We'll probably never know the specifics of who was threatening whom with lawsuits, so I find it odd that they put that on their website, knowing that it was only going to cause rampant speculation. Very odd indeed...

Buster6X6 · May 13, 2007

I also wan't to add my best wishes to John who I met at Toronto APUG conference.Stay healthy and come back better then ever. My wish is for J&C to came back. We should all wish that as a collective.

Greg

Mark Layne · May 13, 2007

I only just saw this and am dismayed. John is a wonderful fellow and the contributions he made to large format material availability go far beyond what is commonly known. I certainly wish him well in his future endeavours

Mark

MattKing · May 13, 2007

I hope this doesn't mean too much of a hit for Sean and APUG, given the past level of support here from J & C.

I too am disappointed by J & C being gone, although I only placed one order through them.

Matt

Eric Rose · May 13, 2007

check out this posting from the Large Format Forum.

http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showpost.php?p=241764&postcount=28

Kind of says it all IMHO.

dr5chrome · May 13, 2007

We greatly appreciated J&C's past willingness to have a link exchange. We were happy to provide them 3000+ hits a month. We will not speculate what has happened in the end. This is none of our business nor is it anyone else's here.

I suggest we move on and support the companies that are left in the analog business, the few of us that are left.

dw

www.dr5.com

photomc · May 13, 2007

Eric, agree with you 100% - My best to John and his family, and hopefully this will end quitely.

JLP · May 13, 2007

jstraw said:
Real subtle. Don't worry...I wasn't planning on making B&W slides anyway.

Who cares what you are planning on? Always seems to have this know it all attitude and the desire to get the last word.

jan

Curt · May 13, 2007

There is a bronze inscription on a wall overlooking the Pacific Ocean at the University I graduated from, it says, "Things are Seldom what they Seem".

I wish John well and want him to know that the cutting and wrapping of the the 2x3 film I ask for was more than appreciated, he didn't have to do it but he did, it showed me what kind of man he is.

In the business world there is a take no hostages attitude. It just takes one person to break the straw that holds everything together. The people who run the businesses are human and have feelings and limits. Any doctor will tell you that they feel like they are in the paper work industry more than medicine. I know that any health care worker for example is always thinking "lawsuit". That's the world we live in and it's too bad.

I am going to keep an open mind, since I don't know the entire story, and wish him well in all of his future ventures both personal and professional.

Curt

David H. Bebbington · May 14, 2007

I have no specific information on this matter whatsoever, but would merely observe that IF a certain manufacturer has an agreement by which another company is to act as a distributor/mail-order retailer, and this other company then ceases business activity, even on a claimed temporary basis, the manufacturer in question is going to suffer genuine loss and may well feel forced to search for other partners.

Similarly, the manufacturer may feel it necessary to take legal proceedings against the erstwhile distributor/mail-order retailer in order to clear the air and open the way to entering into a contractual relationship with a new distributor/mail-order retailer. I do not think it right to describe any such legal action as frivolous. I emphasise that these remarks are made in the abstract and do not relate to any specific case of which I have no knowledge.

Jerevan · May 14, 2007

Sad news indeed. I was only able to make one order for a few filmholders before closing for the move, and it's a shame it's gone now. One choice less... Here's to future, better days. My best to John and family.

haris · May 14, 2007

Not know whole story, and I am in Europe thus haven't had deals with JandC. But, whenever any analoug photo business at any place on this planet go down, I am sad. All the best to John.

Rolleijoe · May 14, 2007

jovo said:
To the extent that 'frivolous lawsuits' contributed to J and C's demise, one can only wonder how seemingly higher order primates can become brain dead parasites who kill the host. Stupid and sad.

I ordered 16x20 paper from John and knew it was the only place in the US that carried paper in 12x16 sizes. I'm so sorry. Best wishes to John for a happy turn of better fortune!

I just ordered some 12x16 from Freestyle. They carry just about everything I need (Efke, Rodinal, Fotokemika, Foma).

fwp · May 14, 2007

I've been buying Efke from freestyle for a while now. It's been rarely available from J&C for the last couple of years.

Rick Floyd · May 14, 2007

We miss you already...

This is tough to take as I relied on J&C for all my black and white film. I wish them all the best in the future and hope to see them back soon under a new venue. John, I'll still be here as your loyal customer should you come back. When one hurts, we all hurt. God bless.

Rick Floyd

Rolleijoe · May 14, 2007

fwp said:
I've been buying Efke from freestyle for a while now. It's been rarely available from J&C for the last couple of years.

True, every time I went to the J&C website they were always out of the paper/film I needed. Nice to know it's still available somewhere, and with great knowledgeable CS as well, not just someone on an 800# just to take orders.

copake_ham · May 14, 2007

As most here said, I'm sorry JandC are leaving the business. I only ordered from them once, when they were having their "clearance sale", but hoped they would stay in business after the "suspension".

That said, they were a supplier of film and related analog products - not a manufacturer (an avenue down which they wanted to travel but may have been, in fact, their demise).

There are other suppliers offering the same or similar products. Suppliers go in an out of business - it's the rough nature of the retail game.

I wish John good luck in future endeavors.

tjaded · May 14, 2007

They were also a great source for flash bulbs, less common 8mm/16mm stock, those cool 120 film cansiters, etc. I hope it works out that they can come back...

m21asph · May 14, 2007

JandC Photo

a sad news

" We will not be re-opening our retail operation".

A recent update from JandC Photo.

Beside JandC, where else we can find ULF film?

thanks

Jeff

David A. Goldfarb · May 14, 2007

Jeff, I've merged your new thread with this one, since we've already got one discussion going on this topic.

Thomas Bertilsson · May 14, 2007

Freestyle Photo has also been offering ULF film.

kraker · May 14, 2007

Although I've never ordered from J&C (if I can get it in Europe, it's easier for me), I've spent the odd hour every now and then browsing their site and dreaming of an order I would one day place. Sad to see this happen. I wish the people of J&C all the best.

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