iso 400 fine grain film

RIchardn · Oct 21, 2009

My favourite cobination of film and developer is Acros and Rodinal which i use extensively. When I want more speed I have used HP5 amd some XP2.
However do you have any reccomendations for a iso 400 film and developer combination that gives results similar (clearly it will not be the same) as Acros. I use 120 and some 35mm
many thanks
Richard

ps. as i Don't use a lot of film at this speed It would be nive if the developer had the keeping properties of Rodinal!

Ektagraphic · Oct 21, 2009

I use Tri-X 400 and Gamma Plus and I get really nice results.

Thomas Bertilsson · Oct 21, 2009

Tmax 400. Probably the finest grained ISO 400 film out there. But XP2 Super is even finer grained, but mostly lower in contrast as you have less control with C41 film than you do with traditional b&w film.

Bruce Watson · Oct 21, 2009

Thomas Bertilsson said:
Tmax 400. Probably the finest grained ISO 400 film out there.

Yep. It won't really look like Acros however. Acros IIRC is not a fully panchromatic film, so it favors blues over reds. It may be that you can use a filter and pull the look closer to Acros, but if you do that you end up loosing some of the shutter speed you wanted from a 400 speed film in the first place. So IDK.

Thomas Bertilsson · Oct 21, 2009

Attached is the spectral response of Tmax 400 and Acros. Pretty similar in my opinion.
Both are taken from Fuji's and Kodak's spec sheets. The one on the left is Acros.

Bruce Watson said:
Yep. It won't really look like Acros however. Acros IIRC is not a fully panchromatic film, so it favors blues over reds. It may be that you can use a filter and pull the look closer to Acros, but if you do that you end up loosing some of the shutter speed you wanted from a 400 speed film in the first place. So IDK.

Ian Grant · Oct 21, 2009

Delta 400 is pretty good too. I was shooting Tmax 400 in 120 but just can't find Kodak films in many stores now so have switched back to Ilford.

Ian

Jeff Kubach · Oct 21, 2009

I like to use T-Max 400.

Jeff

Q.G. · Oct 21, 2009

T-Max 400 is my 'staple' B&W film.
I'm rather unadventurous in my choice of developer: T-Max also.
Like it a lot.

Ben 4 · Oct 21, 2009

Another Vote for TMY

No question in my mind on the grain issue--Kodak TMY in XTOL. I've not used Acros, so don't know how it compares.

Bruce Watson · Oct 21, 2009

Thomas Bertilsson said:
Attached is the spectral response of Tmax 400 and Acros. Pretty similar in my opinion.
Both are taken from Fuji's and Kodak's spec sheets. The one on the left is Acros.

Interesting. It would appear that I've been misinformed. Again. :rolleyes:

fschifano · Oct 21, 2009

Tmax 400 (TMY) in XTOL works for me. According to the published figures by Kodak, it is as fine grained as Plus-X which is considerably slower. Wonderful stuff. Works perfectly well in D76 too. See the links to Kodak's datasheets below and search for "RMS granularity".

Plus-X: http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/support/techPubs/f4018/f4018.pdf

TMax 400: http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/support/techPubs/f4043/f4043.pdf

nworth · Oct 21, 2009

If grain is what counts for you, the T-grain films (Kodak TMax 400 and Ilford Delta 400) are the best bet. Ilford XP-2 Super also falls into this group, but it is a chromogenic black and white film (and very good).

removed account4 · Oct 21, 2009

tmy(400) is about as fine grained as you can get.
it doesn't block up if you use artificial light too.
i like it because it can be processed in something like Xtol
and be very fine grained, or you can go wild and process it in
something like coffee and get really pronounced grain.
it is a very versatile film.

23mjm · Oct 21, 2009

I second Delta 400 that film amazes me.

jpberger · Oct 21, 2009

Another vote for Tmy and xtol. Fantastic combo. My limited experience is that you can squeeze slightly finer grain and sharpness with dilute xtol/rodinal stand development. (1:5+1:200 for 75mins at 20c and season to taste.)Even xtol diluted 1:1 is great, you just need to make sure you mix with distilled water and keep the air out of storage bottles so the mix is fresh.

And speaking of plus-x, you can always rate that at 400 and soup it in diafine with good results.

ivan73 · Oct 23, 2009

Very nice and smooth is Delta 400 in 510 Pyro.... e.g. woman/girl portraits...great even for possible retro look.

Denis R · Oct 24, 2009

t-max 400 in t-max

turbine 1/4 sec. f22 gray day, nd4 and cir pl

church much darker and better resolution when printed

dynachrome · Oct 24, 2009

If you leave out spectral sensitivity and just look at grain and sharpness then TMY2 in undiluted D-76 should be about as close as you will get. I use Fuji Microfine for ACROS and the grain is extremely fine.

Tom Stanworth · Oct 25, 2009

Delta 400 or TMY2 with Xtol 1+1 will give a fine grained modern look.

IloveTLRs · Oct 25, 2009

In my experience it's been TMAX 400 in TMAX developer. Smooth as silk.

ic-racer · Oct 25, 2009

I agree with T-max 400 in T-max developer. Keeping properties of the T-max developer are similar to Rodinal.
I also agree that there is even less visible grain in the chromogenic b&w films.

cmo · Oct 25, 2009

Tmax in XTol 1:1 - you won't get finer grain at 400 ASA - you get coarser grain with most 100 ASA films.

John H · Aug 31, 2012

Can anyone give me general processing times for TMax 400 as well as, Delta 400 and FP5+ using 510Pyro semi stand. 1:300 at 70 to 75 degrees.

35mm as well as 120
Thanks,

JH

David Allen · Aug 31, 2012

What works for me is Delta 400 roll film with an EI of 200 processed in Thornton's two-bath but it depends upon what you like to shoot.

All images on my website use this combination.

My standard print size is in 6 x 7 ratio on 30 x 40 paper with a 1cm border the top and bottom and the grain is minimal.

Best,

David
www.dsallen.de

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