Is Your Local Photography Shop Running Out of Film - Paper - Chemicals ?

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DREW WILEY

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I was at our local store again yesterday. A whole sea change there in terms of new clientele and even staff, many of whom have little knowledge of traditional techniques. They still have a very good selection of 35mm, 120, and 4x5 sheet film, in both black and white and color (no 8x10), but very little darkroom paper any more except in small sizes (8X10 and 11X14), and only a tiny amount of darkroom chemicals compared to before. All that space is now taken up with inkjet papers. I understand. People who need serious darkroom supplies have largely converted to big internet dealers like B&H and Freestyle with better pricing, leaving them just the odd quickie sale. Still, that walk-in convenience model kept them running for decades before.

Business now involves a lot of new digital camera and accessory sales, but also refurbished used film cameras and their lenses in all formats. Used Nikons are especially popular, and film use still is going strong locally. But most people have that film developed and inkjet printed by local specialty labs instead of doing it themselves. Prior to the pandemic, this same store hosted its own beginner darkroom courses; and they still plan to start that back up once it's realistic pandemic-wise. But those kind of classes just need the token sizes of discount printing paper they keep on the shelves. Everyone knows students have little money to spend, since they already spent most of it on their Starbucks addiction earlier the same day. Once they graduate from the University with a degree in Computer Science, they'll land a 150K job in Silicon Valley, marry someone at the same workplace also earning 150K, and that will bring them enough joint income to buy a rusty camper shell down on the marsh halfway flooded at high tide, with no extra income or space for either furniture or a darkroom. So it goes.
 
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I run a small retail camera shop in New York, most of our business is film developing, used film cameras, and film sales. Our Kodak distributor has been sold out of just about all color stocks for the past few months. We have been able to get a trickle of Portra but everything else is in very short supply. It's hurting our bottom line, since we have almost no film to sell and therefore less film to develop. We haven't been able to get any Fuji films since the spring, and the Kodak availability has been spotty since the summer but truly dismal since the fall.

We stock chemicals and paper, but don't sell much of them. Our hottest item are the premium compact cameras (Olympus etc)
 
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I forgot to mention, my camera shop is understaffed and has limited services (the owner's trying to hire more people, but hasn't found anyone yet).
they're also only going to be accepting just 35mm and 120 films.
 

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Freestyle is running out of a lot of B&W film (and some color too) and some chemicals. There are still alternates available. I think this may happen every year, plus may be part of rotation in of the new higher priced products coming down the pike. The new Fuji color film in rotating in already at higher prices.

Example: If you want 135, ISO400, 36 Exposures, 19 choices (individual rolls only); 14 out of stock (HP5+, Delta 400, Bergger, TMX, Foma, etc.); 1 low stock (FPP Derev); 4 in stock (Tri-X, Kentmere, JC Street Pan, Astrum). Tri-X is likely the last thing they would run out of! A few of the out of stock are available in 24 exposure, bulk packages, etc.

Things are improving- esp. for Ilford, Fomapan, and Acros. These are getting restocked. Kodak not as quickly, and a lot of less known film stocks still out of stock.
 

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My local store has an ok stock of paper, though the selection is smaller than usual. Lots of Ilford chemicals and a good amount of Kodak liquid chemicals but totally sold out of Kodak powder chemicals. I was there just this past weekend and all those Kodak boxes that hold the packets of powder chemicals were empty. It had only been two weeks since I was last there and over those two weeks everything disappeared.

I’m the one who bought all. Got the word that Kodak chemistry would be gone for a good while.
 

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Lozo has been very badly managed.
I used to be a customer from when they were across the street. Ever since their new store, they tried to become a photo school, and got lost, mainly over-pricing themselves out of the market. An absolute fiasco, going from the best photo store to being a camera Bags store.

Montreal seems to be going through a film photography craze, with lots of people getting into developing. Couldn't find any Ilfostop yesterday in the two stores I tried.

Contrary to what I've been reading in this thread, there is no lack of local photography stores here. Photo Service and Le Studio Argentique have all the basic needs, and there is the well-trusted Argentix that ships the more difficult stuff to find in a day. What saddens me is the downfall of what used to be L. L Lozeau ever since it was bought by Henry's. They always had a pretty snobbish attitude towards film in the 2000s, but at least you could find all the stuff you needed without having to deal with the superior and condescending "digital is the future/nobody does film anymore" attitude of some of the vendors. Now, store is empty, it's just pathetic.
 

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I have so much paper, film and chemistry it's ridiculous. Frozen Polywarmtone, etc. My local shop closed up 3 or 4 years back. University Camera, Roger Christian, the owner sold me 13 or 14 100 sheet boxes of "Promaster" rc paper. After I bought it I realized I didn't need it. At one point I was taking it up to another great shop, PhotoPro in Cedar Rapids. I would slip a box onto the shelf.
I still have 7 or 8 boxes that I use to show the younger crowd how to print.
I currently use new Ilford and Foma papers. I think the currently available papers are as good as ever.

I’m curious, why give away Promaster paper if you are actively printing? Is it a snob factor?

I admit I was reluctant to try it out of pure sbobbery but once I did, I quickly started to like it. Very good qualtiy, great tonal response, takes toning very well... and it’s 40% cheaper.

I can safely say that I do not think that Ilford paper is any better.
 

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Lozo has been very badly managed.
I used to be a customer from when they were across the street. Ever since their new store, they tried to become a photo school, and got lost, mainly over-pricing themselves out of the market. An absolute fiasco, going from the best photo store to being a camera Bags store.

Couldn't agree more. Photo school was overpriced and didn't offer more than much of the banalities one so readily finds on YouTube nowadays.

Would add that their lab was also trustworthy, especially for color (their B&W development was rather meh), offering speedy delivery at OK prices. Last time I went in for a color development, they told me I would have to wait 2 or 3 weeks before it would be ready. In today's world, that's absurd.
 

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Couldn't agree more. Photo school was overpriced and didn't offer more than much of the banalities one so readily finds on YouTube nowadays.

Would add that their lab was also trustworthy, especially for color (their B&W development was rather meh), offering speedy delivery at OK prices. Last time I went in for a color development, they told me I would have to wait 2 or 3 weeks before it would be ready. In today's world, that's absurd.

OR you could study and practice what you can learn here for the cost of being a subscriber and save a whole lot of money.
 

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Lozo has been very badly managed.
I used to be a customer from when they were across the street. Ever since their new store, they tried to become a photo school, and got lost, mainly over-pricing themselves out of the market. An absolute fiasco, going from the best photo store to being a camera Bags store.
FWIW, I've heard from people in the local photographic retail market that frames and bags are just about the only products left that they make a reasonable level of retail profit on. Everything else has to be sold at close to unsustainable profit margins due to the effects of the internet marketplace.
Reminds me of my time in retail, when processing paid Kodachrome was being sold at so low a markup that the store depended on the 2% reduction for prompt payment of Kodak Canada's invoices in order to make any money at all.
 

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FWIW, I've heard from people in the local photographic retail market that frames and bags are just about the only products left that they make a reasonable level of retail profit on. Everything else has to be sold at close to unsustainable profit margins due to the effects of the internet marketplace.
Reminds me of my time in retail, when processing paid Kodachrome was being sold at so low a markup that the store depended on the 2% reduction for prompt payment of Kodak Canada's invoices in order to make any money at all.

I have no problem believing that the local photographic retail market has a very low markup.
 

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I think that a lot of things work like that Matt. When I worked at auto dealerships, the markup on cars was very small due to the competition, so we made a lot of money in the service dept installing A/C, roof racks, cruise control, special wheels and tires, etc. The markup was sky high on the parts too, so that's where a lot of money was made. They use the same scheme today w/ things like inkjet printers, where they'll basically give some of them away, but ask a king's ransom for the ink cartridges.
 

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FWIW, I've heard from people in the local photographic retail market that frames and bags are just about the only products left that they make a reasonable level of retail profit on. Everything else has to be sold at close to unsustainable profit margins due to the effects of the internet marketplace...

I think that is true for almost all brick and mortar retail, not just photographic. It is unfortunate, but the reality.
 

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Is now the time to start stocking up on the film, paper, and what ever else you need because of "supply chain" issues?
The 8'X10" paper is use is nowhere to be found at the places I go to in the Chicago area.
My local shop is on the Internet!
 

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I have no problem buying fine, used cameras by bike. But to get paper or chemicals, I would have to drive hours by car.
 

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There is a large photography store here in Dallas namely Competitive Photo. I first visited them in 2013 and they have no film, paper or chemicals.
 

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all the more reason to support the ones we've got

Yes, so I am willing to pay the extra 9.75% California Sales tax and a bit higher price rather than go into the political rate that some automatically go into about taxes too high. We really get our money's worth of state services for what we pay. Some people have an automatic bitch button.
 

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No retailer with a low markup overall is going to survive very long, especially now, unless they have an exceptionally low location lease. They might have to be careful about the price of certain obvious items. But probably none of us go to such places due to lower price, but for convenience and to support local jobs. But due to the preponderance toward lower and lower paid people, with less product knowledge, and only catering to current fads in photography, there is quite a business risk involved in the long haul. It has caused me to look to big internet sources first and routinely, just because I can't waste the time trying to convince prior local suppliers why they should still maintain a solid darkroom department. The newer staff doesn't even understand the language. There is a good option across the Bay in SF itself, but that, as close as it is per miles, can be an awfully hectic drive due to real world daily traffic chaos.
 

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I noticed at Freestyle that Bergger Pancro 400 in 135 and 120 was out of stock and last year had a restock date of late Dec/early January, then it moved to February. Now it says Dec 31st, which my guess means, 'we have no idea when we can get it again'. It looks hard to find anywhere (I see some in 120 on Amazon for $12 a roll). It would be a shame if we lost this film stock. I picked up a couple of rolls of the 120 (and have some 35mm already). I noticed all the sheet sizes are gone at Freestyle too. I think Bergger is pretty popular with LF users because of the reasonable price.
 
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