Is TMZ @ 400 feasible?

[:Francis:]

I have quite a lot of TMZ (> 10 rolls) in the freezer that need using. Can I successfully expose the film @ 400, or is that too much of a pull?

I have Aculux3, HC-110, Fomadon Excel and Fomadon R09 (Rodinal) at my disposal.

FWIW I scan my film with a CoolScan V using Silverfast SE Plus.

Thanks

Francis

 

[Tim Gray]

It's only about 1 stop pulled - real speed of TMZ is about 800. I've shot it at 800 with no problems. Try it out. Alternately, shoot it at 800 and slap a filter on there (ND or color).

 

[jim appleyard]

Lots of suggested times here:
http://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.php?Film=TMax+P3200&Developer=&mdc=Search

 

[thisismyname09]

Might be worth selling, instead, with all the hysteria about it being discontinued.

 

[Anon Ymous]

Since you have Fomadon Excel, which is an Xtol clone, you can pull process for EI400. Search for technical publication J109 (Xtol) from Kodak. They list development times for TMZ from EI400 up to 25000.

 

[:Francis:]

Thanks for the suggestions!

The film is expired, so I doubt anybody would want to buy it.

Francis

 

[2F/2F]

It is an ISO 1000 film, and Kodak recommends shooting the film at 800 in a non-pushed-or-pulled situation, to better match the settings common on cameras, I believe. This makes little since to me, personally. I would think that 1000 vs. 800 would actually make exposure quicker to figure, as 1000 lines up perfectly with a shutter speed that most cameras have.

Exposing it one stop over across the board by rating it at 400 will not hurt it. Depending on how expired it is, it may actually help it.

 

[clayne]

Might be worth selling, instead, with all the hysteria about it being discontinued.

This is why talk on the Internet always causes issues. The film is NOT discontinued. What would be suitable is shooting it and buying more as it's a great film.

 

[chriscrawfordphoto]

I'd toss it. Even at 400 it is REALLY grainy compared to real 400 films like Tri-X and especially Tmax 400. This film gets real foggy real fast after it expires and freezing it doesn't slow the process. This is a film that truly does become worthless when expired

 

[2F/2F]

IThis is a film that truly does become worthless when expired

It is worth using if you get pix you like from it...which you can do when it is expired.

I suggest shooting a test roll and seeing if you like what you get. If you don't give it away. If you decide to throw it away instead, pull it all out and drop the strips into your spent fixer bottle so the silver is reclaimed.

 

[clayne]

I'd toss it. Even at 400 it is REALLY grainy compared to real 400 films like Tri-X and especially Tmax 400. This film gets real foggy real fast after it expires and freezing it doesn't slow the process. This is a film that truly does become worthless when expired

Right. Just like the rolls of 1988 Agfapan AP 400 I shot at EI200 a couple months back. Besides the increased base fog, they were FINE. Granted it's quite a bit of speed difference, but age-wise the AP is over 20 years old.

Tossing out perfectly good film that has a bit more base fog is a complete and total waste. By no means does good work depend on using "fresh film."

 

[chriscrawfordphoto]

Right. Just like the rolls of 1988 Agfapan AP 400 I shot at EI200 a couple months back. Besides the increased base fog, they were FINE. Granted it's quite a bit of speed difference, but age-wise the AP is over 20 years old.

Tossing out perfectly good film that has a bit more base fog is a complete and total waste. By no means does good work depend on using "fresh film."

TMZ is totally different than any 400 film. I've used it expired, it goes VERY bad. The speed is high enough that it is fogged by background radiation so even freezing doesn't preserve it. I've actually tried it with the film under discussion.

 

[chriscrawfordphoto]

It is worth using if you get pix you like from it...which you can do when it is expired.

I suggest shooting a test roll and seeing if you like what you get. If you don't give it away. If you decide to throw it away instead, pull it all out and drop the strips into your spent fixer bottle so the silver is reclaimed.

Thats the problem, I didn't. The pics I've gotten from expired TMZ sucked compared to using new TMZ. Reclaiming the silver is a good idea though.

 

[2F/2F]

Thats the problem, I didn't. The pics I've gotten from expired TMZ sucked compared to using new TMZ. Reclaiming the silver is a good idea though.

The image qualities that meet your definition of "sucked" might be another person's aim.

Not all T-Max 3200 ages equally, because it is not all stored identically.

Others' experience may vary from your own.

What you experienced and how you felt about it is not enough to reasonably make the original statement you made.

If you were to simply say something like, "Age takes its toll on TMZ more than most other films," that would be reasonable, because that is an objective piece of information presented as such.

Also, your statement that other films are not fogged by cosmic radiation, but TMZ is, is totally false.