The people who have casually picked up film for its "look" and only ever scan it will drop it eventually to get that "look" from Fuji camera settings or Photoshop/Lightroom presets. Meanwhile, I've started hating my epson v600 scans....
There will always be the casual film pickers but if only, say, 5% of them continue with film then that is an increase of 5 %, small but still an increase.
Also just as the one set of casual film pickers drop film, there will be another newer set of casual film pickers and then another 5% and then ..................................
Move up to medium format. My V600 did a pretty good job with 6x7s.The people who have casually picked up film for its "look" and only ever scan it will drop it eventually to get that "look" from Fuji camera settings or Photoshop/Lightroom presets. Meanwhile, I've started hating my epson v600 scans....
Prices for used film equipment has gone up and film sales have increased too. I don't know if that equals a "revival". But it seems that more people are getting interested in film. Who knows? Some day, there may be a revival in gasoline-powered automobiles.Kinda dead horse been beaten to the dust by now.
I see enlargers collecting dust under very low price in film dedicated store. No crowds in this store, either. It is not where hipstas are congregating most. Which is megapolis as Toronto. Here is only one store in Toronto left where film enthusiasts are regular. Fourth largest city in NA and just one store with film crowds. Revival is not. But everyone if free to dump video with his body and film camera body and have talk about film revival.
Move up to medium format. My V600 did a pretty good job with 6x7s.
If it was digital? Well, what, nothing would have happened. I wouldn’t even have emailed him the shot. And he certainly wouldn’t even look at it twice, and of course NEVER print it. And I woud certainly NOT lose valuable ink on a 4x6 snapshot. With digital, nothing of this would have happened. And it’s a shame because as human beings we need to touch and feel things, objects. Digital has taken this away from us. Looking at an iphone is not that.
I have given people ink jet prints pigment prints from digital files or scanned film
and gotten the same exact reaction.
I think its a matter of making a print not what the print is made of. its nice to make a darkroom print
but still any kind of print is something to hold and enjoy and pass around and smirk at and drool over and thumbtack on the wall &c...
totally true. But digital printing is another super expensive game that only maybe 10% of digital users play. A proper darkroom is a way of life, and makes it all very easy. But it’s a dying luxury. The whole paper thing is dying. Digital on a tablet? No thanks
I have filled a huge plastic storage box with small prints of the kids and family. I believe there is more than 20 thousand 3.5x5/4x5/5x7 prints.
My wife cries every time we open a any bag containing 50-ish prints from that box. And it all goes to the kids when they grow up. Hours, days, a lifetime of fun looking at the photographs, one day, thanks to their Dad (me). Is an instagram account the same? Does my wife cry when she browses the family’s instagram accound? No.
Prices for used film equipment has gone up and film sales have increased too. I don't know if that equals a "revival". But it seems that more people are getting interested in film. Who knows? Some day, there may be a revival in gasoline-powered automobiles.
Post it on the web so we can enjoy your photography as well.I don't bother to scan medium and large format most of the time - I make enlargements. What am I supposed to do with a scan?
Post it on the web so we can enjoy your photography as well.
Kinda dead horse been beaten to the dust by now.
I see enlargers collecting dust under very low price in film dedicated store. No crowds in this store, either. It is not where hipstas are congregating most. Which is megapolis as Toronto. Here is only one store in Toronto left where film enthusiasts are regular. Fourth largest city in NA and just one store with film crowds. Revival is not. But everyone if free to dump video with his body and film camera body and have talk about film revival.
Prices only on snobby gear went up. The rest is not up, maybe just slightly following prices madness on many things due to covid situations.
Increased sales… it is hoax. With 99% of professionals ditched film and 99% of regular households done the same here is no sales increase at all. Just some slight fluctuations compared to film only era. All Walmart and else dumped film development and scans about six years ago. Now some hipsta with Jobo at mama’s basement is new type of lab.
But insignificant increases are here for sure. I spoke with LCS co-owner few months ago. Before it was mostly films discovered in forgotten film cameras. Now some recently exposed films are coming.
Do we have sales of film in length, not in $?
$ value is irrelevant since prices galore on any film.
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Why are such a large percentage of Eeyores of the world in film photography?
The above is in the face of a sizeable and very visible amount of evidence to the contrary.
Empirical, personal and anecdotal, industry insiders, price hype wise and even mainstream attention.
My bet is that Toronto is not that different from other big to huge cities.
If you don't see anything, it's either because you don't want to, or you are not in the right place.
http://www.google.com/search?q=toronto+analog+film+photography
Speciality shops and especially technologically inclined specialty shops has a hard time in general.IDK.
just because there is info on the internet makes it a revival? there used to be a group near where I live that had monthly meetings they don't exist, photo shops don't exist except 1 left, and there selection is pretty slim regarding analogue, not so much of a pro shop anymore but still I guess something is better than nothing ? local world renown art school no longer has a photo lab, local high schools no longer have photo programs ... people have a peeked interest, a curiosity I suppose, can't do anything during lockdown might as well teach oneself how to develop film and scan it &c not sure its a revival or renaissance but its something to do to be "quirky" and noticed I guess and something is better than nothing.
im not so much a eyeore but a realist. that said, if it is a revival im happy...
sounds good, hope I didn't jinx it !Speciality shops and especially technologically inclined specialty shops has a hard time in general.
Most of the fun stuff goes on in the online stores (where film is bought) local listings and better flea markets.
If you can cut a niche out and make a club or hangout place out of your shop space then you have a chance. Liquor licence being a huge asset (and very hard to get in most large city locations today).
I've seen several shops and bars over Europe have success in that vein, with all kinds of interests and hobbies.
That said, I support two shops in Copenhagen with my business, and two good labs. I know there are others out there in this city. You can feel the same is going on in Berlin, Rome and London. When I was in DC a couple of years ago, they had an obviously thriving analog community.
Old traditional photo clubs are closing, because their real purpose, from my experience was really selling and trading, location facilities, "how does this thing work" and general tips and tricks .
This has been taken over by online fora (like this) and platforms like instagram and YouTube, communal darkrooms and photo walks.
And a strong focused rising film revival was going long before lockdown. Since at least 2016 if not earlier.
And a strong focused rising film revival was going long before lockdown. Since at least 2016 if not earlier.
There are some "revival" signs: new Ektachrome released, new products by Adox (films, chamicals), some shops dealing in film cameras have opened.
On the other hand: cameras are becoming less and less, almost no new cameras, spare parts are becoming scarce, films are being discontinued, just a few places repair the gear, prices for film are increasing (maybe more demand, but also less supply), etc.
Today we have some kind of balance and we can easily get and shoot film. Not sure how long.... The situation is way better with B&W, color might get problematic, sooner.
Movies shot on film are really expensive compared to still film.Especially if you talk like that on public forums.
Casual members and random people from Google searches will see these posts for years and have various amount of FUD induced, which they will spread to others.
You only have to Google simple terms like digital vs. analog or film revival to see how sticky and meme like some forum posts and texts can become seemingly at random. Becoming gospel and copied.
I would not worry about cameras at all yet. There are plenty to go around. Perhaps even more if we could stop the pest of mirrorless tards leaching off lenses that were made for and work best on film SLRs.
Good scanners are a much, much bigger problem.
It’s what is keeping many people from realizing that film is really not a quaint, whimsical retro fad to score authenticity points off, but really an incredibly sophisticated, unequaled image sensor.
Even if they do know that, it’s academic to them, because they are not ready to invest in and deal with a macro’n stitch camera scanning rig (mostly because of imagined idea and false anecdotal evidence that it’s cumbersome and takes up more space than a scanner).
Then we need to get many more people into optical/wet printing. We need to make it easier and more accessible.
Only then, as third priority should we look at cameras.
In another camp it’s also very important to show support and enthusiasm around movies shot on film.
Good scanners are a much, much bigger problem.
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