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I suppose my point is simply that Uncle Charlie exists not necessarily as a bottom feeder gleefully intent on destroying the profession of photography. He exists as a consequence of many in that profession's seeming inability to produce the quality results they advertise. He's a viable alternative in a bad situation, and a last resort.

And the one's who suffer most in the profession are those like yourself, who are capable of producing truly outstanding results,* but whose reputation gets tarred and feathered by proximity. Guilt by association—the most egregious form.

I might think you would be among the first to call for the obligation of a Ring...

Ken

* Not, as you already know, my personal cup of tea style-wise. But nevertheless on an absolute scale undeniably high-end beautiful work.

Yes but perhaps it's like any professions. Lawyers are an honorable profession with all levels of merit and expertise. High end lawyers are probably not thrilled with their reputation of the proverbial ambulance chaser, even though they too could be considered doing a necessary job. They lawyer jokes probably don't really sit well with them even if one considers them to have merit.

Lets face it, photography is a career that anyone can do. And almost anyone can take a great picture, even if it's just once in a while. Also it's highly subjective if someone likes the results, and it can also be affected by any number of things. The person may or may not even know what they look like. They may be difficult to photograph. Some people are photogenic, which is not necessarily defined by how "good" they look. Sometimes the photographer and the subject just don't "mesh". Tons of stuff can affect how good or bad a picture is.

But hopefully a true professional is always striving to remove as many the the negative variables as possible to get consistently good pictures. '

And price. Price is usually the barometer of how good someone is. Not always, but usually. Because price is determined not by costs but by an arbitrary number that has to do with how busy a photographer wants to be. The busier he/she gets, the more the price goes up. The price is the variable of how he/she controls their time. Because this is not like a store, where you bring something in the back door, mark it up, and send it out the front. It's hands on, limited product, limited time, limited output. And that is controlled by the price.

And that's why we have the saying, if you sell your picture for $10, that's what it's worth and if you can sell it for $100 or $1000, that's what it's worth.
 
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In the old days, there were fewer Uncle Charlies. Photographers were highly paid technicians because the machinery of photography was complicated. A photographer was good at focusing and exposing film and a wedding photograph may or may not be well composed. Today on the other hand focusing and exposing is all done for you with modern digital cameras. The Uncle Charlies of today can get a pretty decently exposed and focused shot and if he's has a good eye, it will look good too. Today's wedding photographers have to up their game with creating beautiful photographs and go beyond the realm of the technician. Am I wrong here?
 

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In the old days, there were fewer Uncle Charlies. Photographers were highly paid technicians because the machinery of photography was complicated. A photographer was good at focusing and exposing film and a wedding photograph may or may not be well composed. Today on the other hand focusing and exposing is all done for you with modern digital cameras. The Uncle Charlies of today can get a pretty decently exposed and focused shot and if he's has a good eye, it will look good too. Today's wedding photographers have to up their game with creating beautiful photographs and go beyond the realm of the technician. Am I wrong here?

That's true. But few photographers stay as wedding photographers or do so by choice. Obviously some specialize in it and some even hire freelancers to do a number of wedding in one day. The technical is important, the creative is important, but perhaps the most important is incorporating all that and still have a knack and ability to work with the people and have fun doing it. Good wedding photographers, "make" the wedding day. They lessen the stress from the moment they enter the brides home, they cajole and have fun with the nervous people, and from morning until night they are the constant comic relief, and cruise director of the whole affair. And still get the shots right, while making it look easy.

But in reality a large number of people that start in the business of photography doing weddings try to wean themselves off it or do very few in a year. Number one it's hard work, long day, and has a fairly high stress level, due to the numbers of people involved and the necessity to get it right. It also has a lot of pre and post production time involved. So like me many did it for a few years as part of what the studio offered, then move on to concentrating on different kinds of photography that is perhaps more creative, more fun and lucrative.
 

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No one had phones like that five years ago and no one will have them five years from now. They will have something else, maybe eyeglasses or a watch or ring that you point.

I was the photographer at my wedding. Rolleiflex SLX, 30' electric release, E36RE Flash and T-max 400 120.
 

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They're already doing that. They sit home while their drone flies over your house. Then when you're not there, a van pulls up and loots everything. Photography is once again highly profitable.
 

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They're already doing that. They sit home while their drone flies over your house. Then when you're not there, a van pulls up and loots everything. Photography is once again highly profitable.

I think we were talking about wedding photography.

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