And once you buy a leica you don't need another camera, either. Value in the long run.
I agree with all the post, and I arrive to say that also regarding houses smart people earn interest instead of paying it.
I mean that if people knew some financial mathematics they would easily understand that it is much cheaper to rent a house, and save and invest the difference between rent and mortgage, than paying a mortgage.
Mortgages make people poor. Buy a house when you have the money to pay it cash, I say. A mortgage is a way to pay interest on a large capital. Saving is a way to earn interest. A mortgage instalment is much bigger than a rent for the same house if the market is in a normal state. The monthly difference, properly invested for the long term, will buy a house faster than the mortgage.
Both times I bought houses with in five years or less, it was cheaper to pay a loan then rent.
I have had my present house since 2001. In the first five years, it doubled its value. In the last five years with the Great Baby Bush Depression, the value has increased 30% more. It is all about location, location, location.
I think it also important to recognize that Luxury is not synonymous with quality.
Unless you don't pay your property taxes.BUY a house and pay it off (which I also strongly advocate, as quickly as possible interest is evil) and you have one thing nobody else has: No matter what happens -- job loss, sickness, financial collapse, whatever, you have a roof over your head.
Diapositivo, your calculations are ignoring a very large factor - risk.
The purchase of a home hedges the risk (borne by a renter) of rising home values and hence, rising rent. There is value in having one's housing expenses relatively fixed for a number of years, as provided by a mortgage. Further, in assuming your investments will be profitable, you also dismiss the risk of your skill in choosing investments that will (as you do recognize in the case of land) go up, down, or stay the same.
There is another thing to be said for real estate - they ain't making any more of it.
Absolutely - there are plenty of "luxury" goods that are too finicky/fussy/delicate/fragile to be useful. Fortunately in the camera world for the most part that's not true. And then there's some luxury goods that never made sense, like the gold-plated and lizard-skinned RB67. That's like putting a $30,000 paint job on a Ford F150 pickup truck. Great tool, devoted following, but nobody is ever going to confuse it with a Hassy or a Leica. Nor would they want to.
In addition, Diapositivo's calculations assume that the market includes a good supply of rental stock.
In our corner of the world, it is cheaper for many people to buy then rent, if they have the requisite down payment (minimum 5%). That is due to the fact that rental properties are in short supply.
We don't have access to mortgages with terms of 25 or 30 years here - 5 years is as long as the government mortgage insurance programs will cover. We use approximately the same 25 - 30 year amortization periods (the interest compounding is calculated slightly differently).
The current competitive mortgage market makes it relatively easy to get a 3% rate on your 5 year term, 25 year amortization fixed mortgages.
We don't have access to mortgages with terms of 25 or 30 years here - 5 years is as long as the government mortgage insurance programs will cover. We use approximately the same 25 - 30 year amortization periods (the interest compounding is calculated slightly differently).
I don't know the specificities of the US markets. Taxes and government favouring home buying might distort the market.
When you invest a sum you invest it in something that intrinsically yields something. A sheep yields wool, a cow yields milk. A house yields a rent (if you live in your own house it yields a figurative rent) but that, historically, is far below the average return on capital on, let's say, the stock exchange. I mean the average sheep (or manufacturing etc.) historically yields more than the average house.
When you invest money (let's say in the stock exchange, and you go for high-dividend shares, e.g. you buy utilities, oil pipes etc.) you diversify. It's easy to make a portfolio in which no single investment is more than let's say 3% of your capital. The "risk" of the wise investor is spread among various firms and various sectors and countries.
If the mortgage is cheaper than the rent then there must be some force in the market distorting prices (for instance, tax deductions on the interest of the mortgage being higher than tax deductions on rent). I agree that if and when the mortgage is lower than the rent (no down payment considered) it would be foolish to rent.
Your house needs a flow of money just to preserve its value. This is normally considered to be around 15% of the annual rent. You then have taxes normally (I don't know in the US).
In my country the economic condition are set in deep favour of renting, yet we have one of the greatest percentages of home owners in the world and people consider rent to be "wasted money". It's entirely a cultural, prejudicial distortion in my view. There's a huge amount of second houses (mostly kept empty as "reserve of value" under the assumption that "houses always go up" which are now heavily taxed).
The desirability of a house (quarter, zone etc.) is more unpredictable than the stock exchange. In the very long run, the stock exchange will inevitably raise in value (because Homo oeconomicus creates value, capitalism creates value) while house value is largely dependent on demographic phenomena and movements.
In the last decades, all over the world people moved from the countryside to the town. That made the value of town houses to rise and, very importantly and frequently omitted, the value of countryside houses to fall. We have "phantom villages" in Italy as well, those houses are investments which was totally destroyed by demographic movements. We cannot exclude that internet will cause a contrary movement, from town to countryside, reversing the house value trend of the last decades.
But my point was different. If you believe in real estate, normally (tax distortions and bubble busting aside) investing in real estate and renting will yield you more in any case. You mileage may vary depending on your local house market, your tax laws etc. obviously.
So, are you stuck with balloons after 5? Most mortgages in the US are not insured by the government. VA and FHA used to be advantageous, but not so much any more.
Canada?
~Stone
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Keep in mind that the OP wasn't asking if a Leica was worth the money, he was asking if the possible appreciation of the camera would offset credit card interest. I think most of us would agree that it won't.
I don't know about your country, here... I'll just use my house as an example, the 2 family I have, in a dilapidated neighborhood, (which means the rental prices are actually good for renters and bad for landlords) my house mortgage per month is $2,300 on a 30 year mortgage, that includes taxes and insurance cost. .. the downstairs rent is $1,000 and the upstairs rent is $1,600 which yields $2,600 - $2,300 = $300 profit per month = $3,600 per year - $2,000 average maintenance = $1,600 net profit... this covers the home cost and then a little extra. 20 years from now that will sell for at LEAST $500,000 if not more and I've only invested $5,000 total to buy, fix up, refinance, and rent.
Sorry to continue the OT.
I think the house market you live in is deeply distorted by some economic factors, which is probably law. It's not a normal market. ..
The simple fact is, as originally stated, if one can afford a reasonable down payment and can qualify for a market rate 30 year fixed rate mortgage, then the mortgage payments on a single family detached house will be lower than what one would expect to pay to rent the exact same home. Case in point: my own home, a modest three bedroom, two baths 1500 square feet. Monthly mortgage payment is around $1500 (principal, interest property taxes). Were I to rent this house, I could easily rent it for $3000 per month...maybe more. The market here is such that I could also sell the house for more than double what I paid fifteen years ago.
If that's the situation I don't understand what prevents you from renting your house for $3000/month and buy on mortgage another house for $1500/month.
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