Is straight photography dead?

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You are assuming the artist receives the proceeds, rather than the hospital to use for cancer research or treatment.

The proceeds are not being given to the patients or the artists. The proceeds are not being given to the hospital. The hospital is only providing access to the patients. The company which is running the program, Twist Out Cancer, is keeping the proceeds. You have to read the link Vince provided and do a little digging around.

I'll ask again, why not give the paintings to the patients? Really, it seems like the least they could do.

I think the consensus was that DAP is not a high quality caulk.
 
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An AI "muse" or ghost writer?? I was watching an excellent Bob Dylan documentary last nite. I doubt he would have won the Nobel Prize in poetry if a bunch of algorithms told him how to compose his lines. Isn't that the epitome of "more of the same", and the antithesis or real creativity? But it appears the Soylent Green generation has finally arrived, and even the ability to think for oneself is optional. Same kind of "stimulii" as those old 50's "B" SciFi/horror movies with a human brain kept alive in a big jar of saline solution tethered to tubes and electrodes, feeding it faux scenery, faux taste and smell, faux whatever.
Fortunately, people tire of gimmicks fast. I remember the months of end of torture and extreme monetary investment it took to make the first computer-generated complex paintings. They were a big deal at the time and briefly brought a lot of attention. But now that any school kid can do it ten thousands times faster for almost free, all the early stuff has been forgotten. Besides, there are far more important reasons for using AI, like identity theft, gaming elections, and starting world wars. ... And as far as last year's gimmicks go, the only thing Alexa needs to understand and respond to is, "SHUT UP!"
 
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Unless I missed it, the songs are not being giving by the affected soldiers and the musicians to Songwriting with Soldiers to sell at auction.

Apparently the song, about 600 of them, are available to listen to on Band Camp with the option to but them. The money goes to funding the organization that puts on the retreats.
 

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An AI "muse" or ghost writer?? I was watching an excellent Bob Dylan documentary last nite. I doubt he would have won the Nobel Prize in poetry if a bunch of algorithms told him how to composer. Isn't that the epitome of "more of the same", and the antithesis or real creativity? But it appears the Soylent Green era has finally arrived, and even the ability to think for oneself is optional.

Where the artist gets the inspiration for a piece is always a topic of interest. Sometimes it’s from an incident in their own life, the lives of others, or an idea arriving out of nowhere, or one lifted from another artist. Now we just add AI to that mix.

BTW, here’s what the chatbot says about the title of this thread:

No, straight photography is not dead. Although there are many contemporary artists and photographers who experiment with various techniques and approaches to image-making, there are still many photographers who value the beauty and simplicity of straight photography.

Straight photography refers to a style of photography that is characterized by the photographer's attempt to depict the subject matter in a straightforward and unmanipulated way. This style is often associated with the work of photographers from the mid-20th century, such as Edward Weston and Walker Evans, who sought to create images that were honest and unadorned.

While there are certainly many photographers today who utilize digital manipulation techniques to alter and enhance their images, there are also many who continue to work in a more traditional, straight photography style. Additionally, there is a growing appreciation for the beauty and authenticity of straight photography, particularly in the context of the current cultural and political climate, where truth and honesty are often called into question.

Ultimately, the popularity of straight photography may ebb and flow over time, but the style will likely continue to have a place in the world of photography for the foreseeable future.
 

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I expect that the Cancer patients get a lot of enjoyment from participating in a creative process. That is reason enough.
 

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I expect that the Cancer patients get a lot of enjoyment from participating in a creative process. That is reason enough.

Not enough in my opinion. It is said to read that an independent organization is getting the proceeds from the paintings. Many such organizations are scams and don't deserve to be able to operate, much less collect funds using unfortunate circumstances as their lure.
Where the artist gets the inspiration for a piece is always a topic of interest. Sometimes it’s from an incident in their own life, the lives of others, or an idea arriving out of nowhere, or one lifted from another artist. Now we just add AI to that mix.
Likewise, many artists take inspiration and reap profits from their subjects and never give a second thought about returning something to therm. I am thinking in particular of those who document the homeless, the addicted and otherwise less fortunate. Not to mention the now-hackneyed Irish Wanderers and Gypsies. When the photographer is from the affected group at least is seems a bit less like exploitation.
 

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Edward Weston and Walker Evans, who sought to create images that were honest and unadorned.
Edward Weston wrote that he wanted to produce photographs the "takes one beyond the world we know in the conscious mind" "to make the commonplace unusual." Edward Weston took what ended up taking Pepper 30 all around the house looking for the right light. He ended up putting it in an enamel bowl that engulfed the pepper in soft light. Does that count as manipulation?

Also, he and his cohorts defined "straight photography" as they practiced it as "possessing no qualities of technique, composition or idea, derivative of any other form."
 

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Not enough in my opinion. It is said to read that an independent organization is getting the proceeds from the paintings. Many such organizations are scams and don't deserve to be able to operate, much less collect funds using unfortunate circumstances as their lure.

Likewise, many artists take inspiration and reap profits from their subjects and never give a second thought about returning something to therm. I am thinking in particular of those who document the homeless, the addicted and otherwise less fortunate. Not to mention the now-hackneyed Irish Wanderers and Gypsies. When the photographer is from the affected group at least is seems a bit less like exploitation.

And many are worthy, and quite selfless.
So perhaps one should evaluate each on their merits.
 

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None of this has any relation to photography. I am sorry I let myself get sucked it to the discussion.
 

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Where the artist gets the inspiration for a piece is always a topic of interest. Sometimes it’s from an incident in their own life, the lives of others, or an idea arriving out of nowhere, or one lifted from another artist. Now we just add AI to that mix.

BTW, here’s what the chatbot says about the title of this thread:

No, straight photography is not dead. Although there are many contemporary artists and photographers who experiment with various techniques and approaches to image-making, there are still many photographers who value the beauty and simplicity of straight photography.

Straight photography refers to a style of photography that is characterized by the photographer's attempt to depict the subject matter in a straightforward and unmanipulated way. This style is often associated with the work of photographers from the mid-20th century, such as Edward Weston and Walker Evans, who sought to create images that were honest and unadorned.

While there are certainly many photographers today who utilize digital manipulation techniques to alter and enhance their images, there are also many who continue to work in a more traditional, straight photography style. Additionally, there is a growing appreciation for the beauty and authenticity of straight photography, particularly in the context of the current cultural and political climate, where truth and honesty are often called into question.

Ultimately, the popularity of straight photography may ebb and flow over time, but the style will likely continue to have a place in the world of photography for the foreseeable future.

If that had been the first reply in this thread, how many of the 512 other posts would have been avoided? 😉
 

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If that had been the first reply in this thread, how many of the 512 other posts would have been avoided? 😉

When we start paying attention to what chatbot has to say, we are all in trouble. We could turn this into a joke, or think it through and see where things are going. AI is no longer a sci-fi joke and some posts here show why.
 

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When we start paying attention to what chatbot has to say, we are all in trouble. We could turn this into a joke, or think it through and see where things are going. AI is no longer a sci-fi joke and some posts here show why.

Well, that Chatbot response isn’t saying anything new, but it is summarising it in a very tidy fashion. So I contend that it is worth paying attention to, and that it could have saved a lot of beating around the bush (in which I admit to having been a participant).

It would be interesting to do a reverse search and find out what it’s sources were.
 

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Well, that Chatbot response isn’t saying anything new, but it is summarising it in a very tidy fashion. So I contend that it is worth paying attention to, and that it could have saved a lot of beating around the bush (in which I admit to having been a participant).

It would be interesting to do a reverse search and find out what it’s sources were.

Chatbot is already in a state of saying things based on algorithms of unknown bias (and bias is one of key aspects of what current high grade opponents of AI development are most concerned about, in addition to no regulatory oversight)). I'd rather stick with what can be researched in a classic way we still know. A decade from now ? I'm not so sure it will be even possible to be old style and have a meaningful discussion on any subject.
 

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Guys, forgive me for breaking in on what's in principle a good debate, but perhaps it's best to concentrate AI-specific discussion in the parallel thread on that topic. Many thanks :smile:
 

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Guys, forgive me for breaking in on what's in principle a good debate, but perhaps it's best to concentrate AI-specific discussion in the parallel thread on that topic. Many thanks :smile:

There is a difference though, here AI suddenly popped in as a "photographic" tool, and apparently having an "opinion" too, but it can't stand on its own. If chatbot is quoted as having a photography related input, and in that implied as a viable part of discussion, there is more to it.
 

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@Hassasin I am aware of the context and the differences between both threads. I posted my request in full knowledge of those and in the light of the direction this thread has taken in over the last handful of posts, making them overlap considerably. My polite request is just to avoid too much of such overlap (and in itself, the request was not an opening for a meta-debate on moderating actions).

For anyone's convenience - the (now closely related) thread on AI is here: https://www.photrio.com/forum/threads/lets-discuss-ai.198394
 

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@Hassasin I am aware of the context and the differences between both threads. I posted my request in full knowledge of those and in the light of the direction this thread has taken in over the last handful of posts, making them overlap considerably. My polite request is just to avoid too much of such overlap (and in itself, the request was not an opening for a meta-debate on moderating actions).
I understand and agree.
 
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